SJSU Game Thread

[laxwyo]

I'm hoping that Bohl can truly find some diamonds and perhaps over the years, the chill mentality will be weeded out.

It's truly sad that the whole reason to have a good running game is to open up passing. Teams are loading up the box (just like you want) and we can't burn them. Frustrating

[Wyovanian]

I just don't think Bohl can bring players that are any better than the ones DC brought. We basically take any kid that will say yes to us.

So far, he lands a lot of kids with very few FBS offers (some none). Hope he can hold onto C.J. Johnson.

It's not necessarily the talent you bring, but how it's balanced and how you shape it. I don't think DC could get a starving wolf to follow him if he was wearing a meat vest once it got to know him. Most of the guys who spent three or four years under him are now, for lack of a better term, damaged goods. Now, on the defensive side, I don't think DC had a clue as to how to coach defensive talent of any level.

Recruiting's a pump-prime-and-pump kind of scenario. Unless your name's Saban, Miles, Spurrier, etc., and you're coming from a B1G, Big 12, PAC 12, or NFL program to take over another one, you are not going to automatically draw three and four star talent. You have to do more with less, which, once success builds, draws that higher tier of talent to a program.

[Wyovanian]

What i heard on the sidlines is interesting.I was sitting near the sidelines and after a poor drive the offense came over to the bench and I heard Wick completely unload on his Oline. He was screaming at them. I heard this from Wick " it's a 10-10 game and this game can be ours if you stop playing like a bunch of kitty and block". A lineman stood up and yelled back to Wick " dude you need chill". Chill? These guys don't seem to give a damn. I drive 160 miles to watch my Cowboys win and the line wants everyone to chill. I was shocked at that comnent, but it tells me the losing attitude is not gone. Some players would rather chill I guess. That pissed me off and now I understand why their are certain positions that don't give a poop and it shows.

Exhibit A, submitted for the fans' consideration...

[joshvanklomp]

I just don't think Bohl can bring players that are any better than the ones DC brought. We basically take any kid that will say yes to us.

So far, he lands a lot of kids with very few FBS offers (some none). Hope he can hold onto C.J. Johnson.

It works for Minnesota.

[J-Rod]

It works for Minnesota.

Wrong, Gophers get lots of kids with FBS offers.

[joshvanklomp]

As an example, David Cobb, arguably the Gophers' best player, had offers from North Texas, Texas State and Memphis when they picked him up.

The number of stars or the teams recruiting don't determine a player's college success.

Heck, the guy Wyo fans were (and some still are...) drooling over the past three years was down to a Division II offer before Wyoming called.

[J-Rod]

As an example, David Cobb, arguably the Gophers' best player, had offers from North Texas, Texas State and Memphis when they picked him up.

The number of stars or the teams recruiting don't determine a player's college success.

Heck, the guy Wyo fans were (and some still are...) drooling over the past three years was down to a Division II offer before Wyoming called.

It is not an exact science, but the best teams get the best recruits. Period. Arguably the three best non-P5 QBs in the last 10 years...Kellen Moore, Derek Carr, and Colt Brennan were all 4-Star QBs.

[fromolwyoming]

As an example, David Cobb, arguably the Gophers' best player, had offers from North Texas, Texas State and Memphis when they picked him up.

The number of stars or the teams recruiting don't determine a player's college success.

Heck, the guy Wyo fans were (and some still are...) drooling over the past three years was down to a Division II offer before Wyoming called.

It is not an exact science, but the best teams get the best recruits. Period. Arguably the three best non-P5 QBs in the last 10 years...Kellen Moore, Derek Carr, and Colt Brennan were all 4-Star QBs.

You sure about that?

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[J-Rod]

You sure about that?

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Yep.

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http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p= ... 10&yr=2009" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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[Brew_Poke]

In all honesty, why keep playing Kirk at this point. This was one of the easiest games remaining and he was terrible. We're not going anywhere anyway, so why not let one of the younger guys try?

Because then they'd burn a whole year of eligibility, and I think Bohl is thinking that playing Kirkegaard is in the best long-term interests of the team. At least that's what I hope he's thinking.

[kansasCowboy]

In all honesty, why keep playing Kirk at this point. This was one of the easiest games remaining and he was terrible. We're not going anywhere anyway, so why not let one of the younger guys try?

Because then they'd burn a whole year of eligibility, and I think Bohl is thinking that playing Kirkegaard is in the best long-term interests of the team. At least that's what I hope he's thinking.

I'd just say that I guess we should trust and maybe believe that a guy (Bohl) who built a program from nothing to a three time champion probably has an idea of what he's doing. But it was a process at NDSU and will be here too.

The difference between Bohl and Glenn is that Bohl built NDSU. Glenn, he just stepped into a dynasty and continued the process for a few years.
I think Bohl will have this team progressing year to year. And I think patience is key to our progress. If he pulls a Glenn and starts with a bad year, follows with a good year and then progressively gets worse, then he's not able. But if his teams continue to progress like they did at NDSU, then we will be on the right track. And that's what this program needs. Not a quick fix. It needs a complete make over.

[bladerunnr]

In all honesty, why keep playing Kirk at this point. This was one of the easiest games remaining and he was terrible. We're not going anywhere anyway, so why not let one of the younger guys try?

Because then they'd burn a whole year of eligibility, and I think Bohl is thinking that playing Kirkegaard is in the best long-term interests of the team. At least that's what I hope he's thinking.

I'd just say that I guess we should trust and maybe believe that a guy (Bohl) who built a program from nothing to a three time champion probably has an idea of what he's doing. But it was a process at NDSU and will be here too.

The difference between Bohl and Glenn is that Bohl built NDSU. Glenn, he just stepped into a dynasty and continued the process for a few years.
I think Bohl will have this team progressing year to year. And I think patience is key to our progress. If he pulls a Glenn and starts with a bad year, follows with a good year and then progressively gets worse, then he's not able. But if his teams continue to progress like they did at NDSU, then we will be on the right track. And that's what this program needs. Not a quick fix. It needs a complete make over.

That's not quite fair to Glenn. He took a nothing program at Northern Colorado and turned them into 2x division 2 national champions before he went to Montana.

[kansasCowboy]

I was just talking about the comparison of the two at the FCS level. Glenn didn't have to build up Montana, it was already there. He just stepped in and continued the process. Bohl took and made something from nothing.

[J-Rod]

I was just talking about the comparison of the two at the FCS level. Glenn didn't have to build up Montana, it was already there. He just stepped in and continued the process. Bohl took and made something from nothing.

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I see double-digit win seasons galore in the 80s and 90s before Bohl showed. Bohl is much like Chris Petersen...he took NDSU to the next level, but NDSU has been having success for decades.

[Wyokie]

I was just talking about the comparison of the two at the FCS level. Glenn didn't have to build up Montana, it was already there. He just stepped in and continued the process. Bohl took and made something from nothing.

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I see double-digit win seasons galore in the 80s and 90s before Bohl showed. Bohl is much like Chris Petersen...he took NDSU to the next level, but NDSU has been having success for decades.

The real question is can Bohl turn Wyoming into Boise State 2.0?

[J-Rod]

The real question is can Bohl turn Wyoming into Boise State 2.0?

Boise State has 6 losing seasons since World War II. There is no next Boise State. They are an anomaly in college sports.

[Wyokie]

The real question is can Bohl turn Wyoming into Boise State 2.0?

Boise State has 6 losing seasons since World War II. There is no next Boise State. They are an anomaly in college sports.

Then explain Nebraska. 9+ wins every year from 1962 to 2001 with the exception of two seasons (1967 & 1968).

[fromolwyoming]

The real question is can Bohl turn Wyoming into Boise State 2.0?

Boise State has 6 losing seasons since World War II. There is no next Boise State. They are an anomaly in college sports.

Then explain Nebraska. 9+ wins every year from 1962 to 2001 with the exception of two seasons (1967 & 1968).

Bob Devaney coaching tree.

[J-Rod]

Then explain Nebraska. 9+ wins every year from 1962 to 2001 with the exception of two seasons (1967 & 1968).

We're talking non-P5 schools here. I was referring to you suggesting another non-P5 school could be the next Boise. There is no next Boise.

[Hayduke]

Then explain Nebraska. 9+ wins every year from 1962 to 2001 with the exception of two seasons (1967 & 1968).

We're talking non-P5 schools here. I was referring to you suggesting another non-P5 school could be the next Boise. There is no next Boise.

I agree with this. The Power 5 schools are going to set their own rules and further separate themselves from the pack. FBS is two tiered already. They'll make it official. No way can a school sneak up on the Power 5 in the very near future.