IMO, it's not about a player or a coach...

[hithere]

And yes, I was a Bohl fan first, but I was on the way to becoming a Wyoming fan as well. But with the comments and opinions of the group as a whole, I'm no longer certain I want to be associated with this fan base.

Trust me guy, if you can choose not to be a Wyoming fan, I'd say go for it. I've wished I weren't a Wyoming fan going on 15 years now.

It is somewhat of a curse.

[ragtimejoe1]

And I never pointed the finger at the entire fan base, as I very clearly wrote "the unsatisfied Poke faithful. The fact that it happens to be a vast majority of the fan base isn't my fault.

And yes, I was a Bohl fan first, but I was on the way to becoming a Wyoming fan as well. But with the comments and opinions of the group as a whole, I'm no longer certain I want to be associated with this fan base.

I'm curious, I haven't noticed that the vast majority of fans question the Bohl hire? I've always thought the vast majority are happy with the hire. I question his DC based on his DC's track record at this level. Personally, I think 10-15 years is enough to give a good indication of what he can do, but that is a separate topic.

I think you will find a significant number who question Administration, but it seems a false accusation that "most are unsatisfied with the Bohl hire".

[bladerunnr]

And I never pointed the finger at the entire fan base, as I very clearly wrote "the unsatisfied Poke faithful. The fact that it happens to be a vast majority of the fan base isn't my fault.

And yes, I was a Bohl fan first, but I was on the way to becoming a Wyoming fan as well. But with the comments and opinions of the group as a whole, I'm no longer certain I want to be associated with this fan base.

I'm curious, I haven't noticed that the vast majority of fans question the Bohl hire? I've always thought the vast majority are happy with the hire. I question his DC based on his DC's track record at this level. Personally, I think 10-15 years is enough to give a good indication of what he can do, but that is a separate topic.

I think you will find a significant number who question Administration, but it seems a false accusation that "most are unsatisfied with the Bohl hire".

Ok, since I brought it up in a previous post, Bohl was not my first choice. That doesn't mean I don't hope he does well. I only questioned that Burman (trying to remember his interview about the process) didn't even interview anyone else.

I realize Shyatt had some bad luck when Nance went down last year, but when you look at the results of the athletic programs under Burman, it's amazing to me he was given a new contract.

[CowboyNV]

Of course it was a step up, but I heard it multiple times that he could've taken an even bigger step up. Just an example:
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Considering North Dakota State’s recent success, it was no surprise Bohl was hired by a FBS program. But it comes as a surprise he ends up at Wyoming and not a BCS team.

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And I never pointed the finger at the entire fan base, as I very clearly wrote "the unsatisfied Poke faithful. The fact that it happens to be a vast majority of the fan base isn't my fault.

And yes, I was a Bohl fan first, but I was on the way to becoming a Wyoming fan as well. But with the comments and opinions of the group as a whole, I'm no longer certain I want to be associated with this fan base.

Longtime Wyoming fans are a bit jaded when it comes to coaches. Since 1960, we have had 15 coaches, and that averages to about 3.5 years per coach (less time than most college kids take to get their bachelors). So continuity isn't something we have seen (unlike NDSU).

Our coaches have exited for various reasons, with about half leaving for "better" jobs (all of these failed to honor their contracts), and the rest leaving due to poor results (we paid them to leave...part of those great contracts that the coaches don't honor when they leave for greener pastures, but force us to honor when their performances suck).

While I think Bohl is a good coach (he was great at NDSU, but......), I am not convinced he will be a good coach at Wyoming. I'm willing to give him the requisite time to turn this program around, but I sure as heck am not going to annoint him as the king of football just yet. So, since you are new to Wyoming athletics, you need to understand we have had decades of broken promises, lies, and more than our share of losses. We still support our Cowboy and Cowgirl athletics, but each staff member of each team has to earn our loyalty. Like many of the fans on the forum, I am really pulling for Bohl to be successful. Time will tell. If he turns out to be great, chances are good he will bail on UW like so many before him. If he is a bust, then he will get his walking papers and we will all move on to the next "savior" of the program. In a nutshell that is Wyoming athletics, feast or famine and nothing in the middle.

[JimmyDimes]

And I never pointed the finger at the entire fan base, as I very clearly wrote "the unsatisfied Poke faithful. The fact that it happens to be a vast majority of the fan base isn't my fault.

And yes, I was a Bohl fan first, but I was on the way to becoming a Wyoming fan as well. But with the comments and opinions of the group as a whole, I'm no longer certain I want to be associated with this fan base.

I'm curious, I haven't noticed that the vast majority of fans question the Bohl hire? I've always thought the vast majority are happy with the hire. I question his DC based on his DC's track record at this level. Personally, I think 10-15 years is enough to give a good indication of what he can do, but that is a separate topic.

I think you will find a significant number who question Administration, but it seems a false accusation that "most are unsatisfied with the Bohl hire".

Ok, since I brought it up in a previous post, Bohl was not my first choice. That doesn't mean I don't hope he does well. I only questioned that Burman (trying to remember his interview about the process) didn't even interview anyone else.

I realize Shyatt had some bad luck when Nance went down last year, but when you look at the results of the athletic programs under Burman, it's amazing to me he was given a new contract.

He's probably getting a pass for wrestling and the fact most of the teams have been finishing in the top half of the conference. Need for football and basketball to get back to the level they both should be. Hell, when I was in school we were at one point top 10 in both sports....and only a year apart.

I do agree Burman should have been canned a while ago, but the Branch, Shyatt, and hopefully Bohl hires have helped.

[ragtimejoe1]

Ok, since I brought it up in a previous post, Bohl was not my first choice. That doesn't mean I don't hope he does well. I only questioned that Burman (trying to remember his interview about the process) didn't even interview anyone else.

I realize Shyatt had some bad luck when Nance went down last year, but when you look at the results of the athletic programs under Burman, it's amazing to me he was given a new contract.

I don't think it is unfair to question the hiring process. I never noticed you saying Bohl was a bad hire; you just thought there might have been better hires.

My concern with Bohl is that any coach at WYO will struggle to be successful with our Administration. I'm 100% with you; how we can keep an AD that DESTROYED our bball program and has failed to resurrect, even a little, our football program is beyond me.

[NowherePoke]

And yes, I was a Bohl fan first, but I was on the way to becoming a Wyoming fan as well. But with the comments and opinions of the group as a whole, I'm no longer certain I want to be associated with this fan base.

Do you really think there are that many negative posts about Bohl?

Because there is a thread questioning Stanard?

Many of us want significant changes in the athletic administration and strategy and express that. Bohl is a football coach, not a miracle worker. No need for anyone to be overly critical, nor to anoint him.

You should have read some of the posts by CSU fans about McElwain around the time he lost his first Border War game to Wyoming 45-31 on the way to a 4-8 season. Two years later, Bohl is in the same position and frankly the response on here is similar or less frustrated than CSU fans in the same position. It's standard message board banter.

While giving out advice on a message board is probably one of the lamest routes an individual can take, I will do it here anyway. My advice: Don't take anything said in a Game Thread or on Gameday too seriously. Those posts usually involve 15 years of pain and frustration mixed with alcohol. With clear hindsight on a snowy day next spring when spring camp opens I will recognize what Bohl inherited and the long road it will take to build a winner, but on a fall night at 2 AM when I see two defensive backs go in the wrong direction and give up a TD to Hawaii on the way to a terrible loss? Yeah, reason and logic are not my strong suits at that point.

[yopaulie]

I would never let a fanbase football forum dictate whether I rooted for a particular team. 100 people on here vs 20000 attending games.

[TSpoke]

I don't see anyone being overly critical to Bohl. I think most of us consider him a good coach but that doesn't mean he is above critisism. Most or all of us are very happy to have him here but the fact remains he hasn't proven anything here yet. And that isn't to say I beleive he should be doing better at this point(I see a well coached tema that has played hard using a different system) but he hasn't earned the undying loyalty of Wyoming fans yet.

[Brew_Poke]

But with the comments and opinions of the group as a whole, I'm no longer certain I want to be associated with this fan base.

lulz.
That's called something.....what is the word again?
Oh yeah, poop.

[joshvanklomp]

While giving out advice on a message board is probably one of the lamest routes an individual can take, I will do it here anyway. My advice: Don't take anything said in a Game Thread or on Gameday too seriously. Those posts usually involve 15 years of pain and frustration mixed with alcohol. With clear hindsight on a snowy day next spring when spring camp opens I will recognize what Bohl inherited and the long road it will take to build a winner, but on a fall night at 2 AM when I see two defensive backs go in the wrong direction and give up a TD to Hawaii on the way to a terrible loss? Yeah, reason and logic are not my strong suits at that point.

I'm a Minnesota sports fan, so I know all about the pain and frustration. Still trying to get over the fact that we would've beaten the Broncos in Super Bowl XXXIII. But there are better ways to channel that frustration than to want someone to lose his job.

And alcohol is a poor excuse. If it makes it do those things, don't drink it. It's really not all that difficult.

[NowherePoke]

While giving out advice on a message board is probably one of the lamest routes an individual can take, I will do it here anyway. My advice: Don't take anything said in a Game Thread or on Gameday too seriously. Those posts usually involve 15 years of pain and frustration mixed with alcohol. With clear hindsight on a snowy day next spring when spring camp opens I will recognize what Bohl inherited and the long road it will take to build a winner, but on a fall night at 2 AM when I see two defensive backs go in the wrong direction and give up a TD to Hawaii on the way to a terrible loss? Yeah, reason and logic are not my strong suits at that point.

I'm a Minnesota sports fan, so I know all about the pain and frustration. Still trying to get over the fact that we would've beaten the Broncos in Super Bowl XXXIII. But there are better ways to channel that frustration than to want someone to lose his job.

And alcohol is a poor excuse. If it makes it do those things, don't drink it. It's really not all that difficult.

I was really just joking with the pain/frustration/alcohol part. The point being, emotions run high during the game and extreme positions are taken.

However, I am going to have to ask you to link to my posts (or anybody else on here) that express a desire for Bohl to lose his job.

[joshvanklomp]

However, I am going to have to ask you to link to my posts (or anybody else on here) that express a desire for Bohl to lose his job.

While people may not want Bohl fired (yet), there are a number of posters who have called for Stanard's firing.

I'd never wish that on anybody, but maybe others on WyoNation are high enough up the corporate food chain where that's acceptable.

[ragtimejoe1]

While people may not want Bohl fired (yet), there are a number of posters who have called for Stanard's firing.

I'd never wish that on anybody, but maybe others on WyoNation are high enough up the corporate food chain where that's acceptable.

Nice backtrack after an overly dramatic accusation . FYI, I'm not necessarily advocating firing Stanard now even though I don't think he is the guy for the job. However, I'm definitely advocating a short leash.

Please stop with the drama queen crap. Nobody is wishing him to be fired. EVERYBODY is wishing him to be successful, but some, like me, question if he has the goods to be so. I'm sorry, he took a job in this business where it is win or be fired. He took a job knowing he is under the scrutiny of many. Nature of the beast.

[johnywyo]

Back last year about the time Sternberg was rejected, I made the comment that before DC loses his job we needed a new AD. Since that didn't occur and our second team President, McGinty was afforded the unenviable task of keeping thing "as they were"; we are "as we are".

Tommy B, is the man in charge. I don't get it, but the status quo remains. Perhaps when Bball tips off we'll have something to actually be proud of, yet the risk remains that Nance isn't himself and the program levels off to another .500 season and that skip in the record leaves us back to bitching again. I don't think that happens, but the fact remains we are a pretty pathetic D-1 program across the board and especially with the brand of football team we are currently fielding. Bohl is a realist, that is tough to stomach but he is telling the facts as they are. Damn it all.

So, is this a positive thread? Does it accomplish anything to change our direction? What can we do? I think the last question is the most important, and I am yet to hear a real answer that allows us the ability to raise our expectations to a better fortune. So, I will continue to watch us flounder and I guess that makes me accepting of a less than mediocre athletic department.

[McPeachy]

While people may not want Bohl fired (yet), there are a number of posters who have called for Stanard's firing.

I'd never wish that on anybody, but maybe others on WyoNation are high enough up the corporate food chain where that's acceptable.

Nice backtrack after an overly dramatic accusation . FYI, I'm not necessarily advocating firing Stanard now even though I don't think he is the guy for the job. However, I'm definitely advocating a short leash.

Please stop with the drama queen crap. Nobody is wishing him to be fired. EVERYBODY is wishing him to be successful, but some, like me, question if he has the goods to be so. I'm sorry, he took a job in this business where it is win or be fired. He took a job knowing he is under the scrutiny of many. Nature of the beast.

Spot on ragtimejoe1. Spot on.

I have not seen anyone asking or even suggesting Stanard be fired. It is ridiculous and it pisses me off that some non-Wyoming fan from Minnesota has gone that far to write such crap. As fans, it is within reason and our right to question things. I haven't said much about it, but I do question whether he made the right decision forcing the Tampa 2 on a group of kids that didn't fit with it. That's it. Sometimes you have to adapt your system to your players and what you have to work with. Did he do that? I would say no. But the jury is still out and we will wait to see how 2017 looks (which sucks, but here we are again rebuilding).

Further, most coaches get paid at a salary level that certainly compensates them for getting some heat. That is part of the job - or in my industry, it would be like "hazard pay". I would take more poop than imaginable if you paid me $400,000+ per year, let alone $750,000 or $1,200,000. They chose the path, they banked on what a 20 year old does on Saturdays for their livelihood, and they certainly are compensated well for it.

[laxwyo]

Right on mcpeach! Being in football sure beats a lot of jobs out there

[BJC]

While people may not want Bohl fired (yet), there are a number of posters who have called for Stanard's firing.

I'd never wish that on anybody, but maybe others on WyoNation are high enough up the corporate food chain where that's acceptable.

Nice backtrack after an overly dramatic accusation . FYI, I'm not necessarily advocating firing Stanard now even though I don't think he is the guy for the job. However, I'm definitely advocating a short leash.

Please stop with the drama queen crap. Nobody is wishing him to be fired. EVERYBODY is wishing him to be successful, but some, like me, question if he has the goods to be so. I'm sorry, he took a job in this business where it is win or be fired. He took a job knowing he is under the scrutiny of many. Nature of the beast.

Spot on ragtimejoe1. Spot on.



I have not seen anyone asking or even suggesting Stanard be fired. It is ridiculous and it pisses me off that some non-Wyoming fan from Minnesota has gone that far to write such crap. As fans, it is within reason and our right to question things. I haven't said much about it, but I do question whether he made the right decision forcing the Tampa 2 on a group of kids that didn't fit with it. That's it. Sometimes you have to adapt your system to your players and what you have to work with. Did he do that? I would say no. But the jury is still out and we will wait to see how 2017 looks (which sucks, but here we are again rebuilding).

Further, most coaches get paid at a salary level that certainly compensates them for getting some heat. That is part of the job - or in my industry, it would be like "hazard pay". I would take more poop than imaginable if you paid me $400,000+ per year, let alone $750,000 or $1,200,000. They chose the path, they banked on what a 20 year old does on Saturdays for their livelihood, and they certainly are compensated well for it.

[joshvanklomp]

I have not seen anyone asking or even suggesting Stanard be fired.

Just a few I've seen

I hate Steve Stanard. There's a special place in my heart for how much I think his hiring was a colossal mistake. I will dump on him as an FBS DC every chance I get.

If Bohl doesn't want to make changes to his OC and DC then we are going straight back to the Glenn years.

Glenn was loyal to a fault; I hope Bohl isn't.

I have chosen to refuse to give this man a chance. He does not deserve it. He is a terrible coach as shown in his teams' performances, statistics and types of places coached. He's Robin Ross. He is Bob Cole. He is filtered chaff that somehow keeps being swirled around the toilet bowls of the have-nots of FBS football.

Please, please, please if you wouldn't mind. Please give me something; x's and o's, personal anecdotes, tangible evidence, anything that might give me a sliver of hope that Steve Stanard could somehow bring any defensive unit that he's in charge of from god awful level to slightly mediocre. Because if all you have to offer is the mantra of waiting and being patient, you will have failed me. You will have failed me, internet stranger.

Steve Stanard is the worst.

[ragtimejoe1]

Everyone else around the country couldn't believe Wyoming got Bohl to come to Laramie, while the unsatisfied Poke faithful think they are too good for him. Something doesn't quite add up.

Backtrack. Backtrack. And you are still wrong. Only one of those cited said to fire him now. Others said they hope Bohl isn't too loyal like Glenn.

Way to backtrack and try to latch on to something else to avoid embarrassment. You've failed both times.