Thought this was interesting

Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:47 pm

marcuswyo wrote:Burman should have been fired for hiring and extending Schroyer. Other than that Wyo sports has been about the same for the last 15 years. He nearly killed UW basketball. 1 Conference championship in 8/9 years is pathetic. You would figure a school could win more than that by accident. Lee Moon won more conference championships, so it appears Burman is building quite the legacy.

Actually, he is similar to Moon in his hires. They both hire program killers ( Koening & Schroyer). Difference being football is more important. You mess up a football hire you get fired.

Wyoming does compete in the fewest number of sponsored MWC sports. And I agree regarding the Schroyer extension. But, 1 conference championship isn't entirely correct. Wrestling has won a few. Last year both tennis and soccer were in title games. Every program minus the one Craig Bohl is rebuilding, finished in the top half of the conference rankings. So, while we haven't won a poop load of MWC titles, our programs are starting to compete at a higher level than say 5 years ago.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:50 pm

JimmyDimes wrote: So, while we haven't won a poop load of MWC titles, our programs are starting to compete at a higher level than say 5 years ago.

Not that I disagree with you 100%, but with what happened to the MWC, I would hope so.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:55 pm

Also, Fargoans who've been to Laramie are correct in having a superiority complex. Laramie makes Fargo look like Paris.

Hyperbole monster is a live and well.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:03 pm

Seriously though...how does UW not have a waiver for this?

"Location," Glenn said. "It's that simple. Everything goes through Denver now. When I took the job we could take a state plane to fly down to Denver, get recruits and bring them back to Laramie. It was pretty simple."

That changed in 2004 when the NCAA prohibited the use of private or chartered planes in recruiting. It was meant to keep the big-time programs from having an advantage, but Glenn said it ended up hurting schools located a couple of hours from major airports more. Laramie is about a 90-minute drive from Denver.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:08 pm

J-Rod wrote:Seriously though...how does UW not have a waiver for this?

Thanks for getting us back on track! That is what I was wondering. Maybe I've been in the dark, but I haven't heard or thought about this. It would seem that the NCAA would be receptive to some exceptions if it is a big limiting factor for us.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:19 pm

ragtimejoe1 wrote:
J-Rod wrote:Seriously though...how does UW not have a waiver for this?
Thanks for getting us back on track! That is what I was wondering. Maybe I've been in the dark, but I haven't heard or thought about this. It would seem that the NCAA would be receptive to some exceptions if it is a big limiting factor for us.

How many schools do you think this actually, negatively affects? Are we alone in this or is there a legitimate chance for this to change?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:24 pm

Most official recruiting visits occur during the winter (December-January). Could UW play up the fact that driving during those months is potentially dangerous? If the student athlete is at risk and flying is safer, maybe the NCAA offers a waiver?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:27 pm

ItSucksToBeACSURam wrote:
ragtimejoe1 wrote:
J-Rod wrote:Seriously though...how does UW not have a waiver for this?
Thanks for getting us back on track! That is what I was wondering. Maybe I've been in the dark, but I haven't heard or thought about this. It would seem that the NCAA would be receptive to some exceptions if it is a big limiting factor for us.
How many schools do you think this actually, negatively affects? Are we alone in this or is there a legitimate chance for this to change?

No idea. I suppose it depends on the criteria. I haven't looked at the flight list into and out of Laramie but I imagine there would need to be a definition of some sort:

Example (example only; parameters obviously could change): If a University resides more than 125 miles from the nearest airport that has at least 4 flights per day, then that school is exempt from the rule.

I was thinking through most schools in our conference and we are definitely the most disadvantaged by this. I would be curious to hear Bohl's and Shyatt's take on it.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:28 pm

J-Rod wrote:Most official recruiting visits occur during the winter (December-January). Could UW play up the fact that driving during those months is potentially dangerous? If the student athlete is at risk and flying is safer, maybe the NCAA offers a waiver?

While I agree that it would take something like this to warrant a change, I cannot see the NCAA agreeing that if the roads are crappy that the conditions in the air will be safer.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:35 pm

ItSucksToBeACSURam wrote:
J-Rod wrote:Most official recruiting visits occur during the winter (December-January). Could UW play up the fact that driving during those months is potentially dangerous? If the student athlete is at risk and flying is safer, maybe the NCAA offers a waiver?
While I agree that it would take something like this to warrant a change, I cannot see the NCAA agreeing that if the roads are crappy that the conditions in the air will be safer.

Roads can be hazardous long after a storm passes and can't be de-iced nearly as efficient as runways. In other words, I would expect a runway to be safer sooner after a storm than 190 miles of road between Laramie and the Denver Airport.

It sounds as if pre-2004, sending the plane was our preferred method.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:39 pm

ragtimejoe1 wrote:
ItSucksToBeACSURam wrote:
J-Rod wrote:Most official recruiting visits occur during the winter (December-January). Could UW play up the fact that driving during those months is potentially dangerous? If the student athlete is at risk and flying is safer, maybe the NCAA offers a waiver?
While I agree that it would take something like this to warrant a change, I cannot see the NCAA agreeing that if the roads are crappy that the conditions in the air will be safer.
Roads can be hazardous long after a storm passes and can't be de-iced nearly as efficient as runways. In other words, I would expect a runway to be safer sooner after a storm than 190 miles of road between Laramie and the Denver Airport.

It sounds as if pre-2004, sending the plane was our preferred method.

Runways absolutely can be safer. The worry, for me, isnt the runway though. The winds around here in the winter are miserable and you can have heavy icing conditions in clear conditions. I am sure flying absolutely is a luxury and maybe even cheaper, but I can't argue its safer.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:41 pm

ItSucksToBeACSURam wrote: I am sure flying absolutely is a luxury and maybe even cheaper, but I can't argue its safer.

You definitely would know more about that than I.

However, I wouldn't mind using the safety angle to get an exemption if Bohl and Shyatt felt it was worth it

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:46 pm

ragtimejoe1 wrote:
ItSucksToBeACSURam wrote: I am sure flying absolutely is a luxury and maybe even cheaper, but I can't argue its safer.
You definitely would know more about that than I.

However, I wouldn't mind using the safety angle to get an exemption if Bohl and Shyatt felt it was worth it

Haha gotta play the game when you can.

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:51 pm

Wyoming needs to get a waiver for this 'cos I can see a recruit saying "no thanks" after dealing with I-25 north of Denver until the state line. I-25 is a bitch from Denver to Fort Collins both ways!!!!

Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:30 pm

If 21 yr old pilots that haven't started shaving can fly into rock springs, I'm sure they can land in Laramie

Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:35 pm

ragtimejoe1 wrote:
ItSucksToBeACSURam wrote: I am sure flying absolutely is a luxury and maybe even cheaper, but I can't argue its safer.
You definitely would know more about that than I.

However, I wouldn't mind using the safety angle to get an exemption if Bohl and Shyatt felt it was worth it

LOL This...I'm no expert on this topic, but hey...if it bends the rules a little in UW's favor, I'll be glad to tell science to temporarily f-word off.

Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:14 am

This is an interesting database on how much money teams spend in recruiting. I've linked it in a way that you can see all the MW schools together

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Here's the basketball side, if you're curious: http://db.desmoinesregister.com/college ... derdir=asc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:26 am

ItSucksToBeACSURam wrote:
ragtimejoe1 wrote:
J-Rod wrote:Seriously though...how does UW not have a waiver for this?
Thanks for getting us back on track! That is what I was wondering. Maybe I've been in the dark, but I haven't heard or thought about this. It would seem that the NCAA would be receptive to some exceptions if it is a big limiting factor for us.
How many schools do you think this actually, negatively affects? Are we alone in this or is there a legitimate chance for this to change?

Found an article from after the change was made. Among the unhappy coaches:

"I absolutely feel that it was a knee-jerk reaction," Purdue Coach Joe Tiller said, also at the Big Ten's news conference.

Purdue is among the schools that will be affected most by the ban on chartered and private planes. Purdue's campus in West Lafayette, Ind., is about 63 miles from the closest airport in Indianapolis.

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