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wyokoke wrote:They won't come out West. They already take up 2 time zones, no need to add a third. They'll snag Houston and either Cincy or Memphis
Actually, from a TV standpoint, having games across three time zones is not a bad thing...
That being said, the logistical challenges of three time zones for the programs and the conference means the TV payout needs to be commensurate, and given the TV partner's push back, I doubt they could get there.
For football I think 3 time zones would be a great thing, it gives extra kickoff time options for TV to pickup and get more eyeballs on TV in some areas for games that are "too late" for other time zones. Of course, you need to be in a large conference. The MW is in 3 time zones but we really don't compare...
But there's no way it makes any sense for track, wrestling, soccer, and/or baseball teams to travel regularly between Morgantown and Fort Collins/Provo/Boise/wherever. But then again football drives the bus...
wyokoke wrote:They won't come out West. They already take up 2 time zones, no need to add a third. They'll snag Houston and either Cincy or Memphis
Actually, from a TV standpoint, having games across three time zones is not a bad thing...
That being said, the logistical challenges of three time zones for the programs and the conference means the TV payout needs to be commensurate, and given the TV partner's push back, I doubt they could get there.
For football I think 3 time zones would be a great thing, it gives extra kickoff time options for TV to pickup and get more eyeballs on TV in some areas for games that are "too late" for other time zones. Of course, you need to be in a large conference. The MW is in 3 time zones but we really don't compare...
But there's no way it makes any sense for track, wrestling, soccer, and/or baseball teams to travel regularly between Morgantown and Fort Collins/Provo/Boise/wherever. But then again football drives the bus...
We are? I thought it was only Mountain time and Pacific time zones.
You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage him/her.
wyokoke wrote:They won't come out West. They already take up 2 time zones, no need to add a third. They'll snag Houston and either Cincy or Memphis
Actually, from a TV standpoint, having games across three time zones is not a bad thing...
That being said, the logistical challenges of three time zones for the programs and the conference means the TV payout needs to be commensurate, and given the TV partner's push back, I doubt they could get there.
For football I think 3 time zones would be a great thing, it gives extra kickoff time options for TV to pickup and get more eyeballs on TV in some areas for games that are "too late" for other time zones. Of course, you need to be in a large conference. The MW is in 3 time zones but we really don't compare...
But there's no way it makes any sense for track, wrestling, soccer, and/or baseball teams to travel regularly between Morgantown and Fort Collins/Provo/Boise/wherever. But then again football drives the bus...
We are? I thought it was only Mountain time and Pacific time zones.
WYCowboy wrote:You are right, I forgot about them.
Easy to do...personally I wished they were not a part of our conference (along with San Jose State). The MWC commissioners office rivals the Wyoming Athletics office.
WYCowboy wrote:You are right, I forgot about them.
Easy to do...personally I wished they were not a part of our conference (along with San Jose State). The MWC commissioners office rivals the Wyoming Athletics office.
Agreed. We'd be better off without Hawaii and SJSU and with some Oklahoma/ Texas schools.
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WYCowboy wrote:You are right, I forgot about them.
Easy to do...personally I wished they were not a part of our conference (along with San Jose State). The MWC commissioners office rivals the Wyoming Athletics office.
Agreed. We'd be better off without Hawaii and SJSU and with some Oklahoma/ Texas schools.
I completely agree on SJSU. KNEW years years adding San Jose State was a BAD idea!!!!!!!!!! The morons at the MWC officers never did learn from the WAC-16 mistakes that ended in "divorce." NEVER EVER ADD SJSU!!!!
As for Hawaii, as much as I like Hawaii since I have friends living there, I sadly agree we never shoulda added them in complete hindsight. Although I am glad the Paniolo Trophy is back on again, the series needs to end with the Pokes getting OUR trophy back from them and keeping it....for good since the last Paniolo Trophy, the original one, got stolen...literally!!!!
I want CHAMPIONSHIPS not chicken poop! And we're getting chicken poop!!!!!!!!!!!
Hawaii is a great school for this conference. Yeah there are Oklahoma an Texas schools that would be better. But that is 6 schools this conference couldn't get right now and Houston. Tulsa, rice, SMU, and UTEP are schools that wouldn't be as good for the MWC as Hawaii is
I don,t ever want CSU to succeed. Its part of the ole rivalry I grew up with being a true WYO guy. But if CSU gets a big 12 invite and the Bohl football success continues into what we all hope and think it will. That could mean that the border war lives and we get to have a perennial legitimate opportunity to beat up on a power 5 school. I don't see anything wrong with that idea (outside of CSU getting what they wan't.)
tbcpoke wrote:I don,t ever want CSU to succeed. Its part of the ole rivalry I grew up with being a true WYO guy. But if CSU gets a big 12 invite and the Bohl football success continues into what we all hope and think it will. That could mean that the border war lives and we get to have a perennial legitimate opportunity to beat up on a power 5 school. I don't see anything wrong with that idea (outside of CSU getting what they wan't.)
Wait... Are you saying that "if" csu got into the big 12 that you think they would ever play Wyoming again? Almost sounded like you believe an every season rivalry would continue.
Big 12 And now we get to the attention hog that is the Big 12 as of late. By letting West Virginia go to the ACC, the Big 12 now sits at nine teams. That means adding BYU, Houston, Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, UNLV and Memphis. How can you not be OK with any of those choices for expansion? The metros (outside of Wyoming) are all sizeable and each school is a decent fit in its own way. -
CSU would become our version of what CU is to them today. They would demand only home or neutral site games. They are already full of themselves...can you imagine if they were P5 (even if they are signing up to be Texas' and Oklahoma's bitch and overall a 3rd class member by being forced to take less of a draw than all other teams in the conference - which would consign them to the cellar for most years)? While I would love to see them become the Wake Forest or Vandy of the Big XII, I would rather they find a similar role in the MWC. They may well have found the magic sauce in all of the bonds and debt financing they are undertaking, but it is a risky proposition in our current economy and considering trends in higher education. They are banking on maintaining high enrollment and being able to charge hellacious tuition and fees to balance the books.
On the other hand, I think that UW is shooting itself in the foot by being overly conservative the other way. We will kill our only hope at finding some diversification in our economy if the Legislature and higher ups in Laramie (at UW) relegate us to a glorified community college. As my old boss always said: NEVER WASTE A CRISIS. Well, we have a three alarm blaze and an opportunity to pare certain things back (while still achieving our land grant mission) and really investing in four or five things to FINALLY be excellent at something. As I see it today, we are doubling down on being mediocre by trying to save everything and being all things to all people. Even with cuts, we are nigh onto a billion dollar state spend on UW. UW is not in the poor house. UW has a prioritization problem. UW has a problem with those that suggest any demand for excellence, pulling your own weight and being held accountable to deliver (in terms of teaching, publishing and finding dollars to support yourself) is a call for retrenchment of academic freedom and a slippery slope towards Halliburton running UW. That is all whitewash and hogwash to protect the status quo. We have to pay our good faculty, pay our good coaches, optimize federal, private and grant dollars and incentivize faculty to go get such funds where they can, find the soft spot in enrollment (where you cover your operating nut and minimize the state subsidies that we would pay for more students) and let the rest go. If you want to see what a socialist system gets you...just look at ANY university that allows the masses to run the show. The best ultimately leave, the rest stay and any boat rocking or tough questioning results in public attack and a trip to functional Siberia under the guise of "academic freedom" violation. As was stated in another thread...a spade is actually a spade and we have to start acknowledging the general shape and color of what a spade looks like. Unless we do, the ticks will only bore in deeper...and we only have so much blood to go around.
Now, back to CSU and the turds that they are and always will be...
Coeur d' Alene wrote:Glad the big 12 didn't want to take New Mexico or UNLV (the mwc's best schools for another conference to take).
Agree. They, especially UNLV, have a huge upside.
What upside? Better strip clubs?
Well...for one, yes. Much better. In fact, outside of your old stomping grounds (Clowns Den & Green Door) - not sure any others exist in Wyoming?
I can guarantee you the strip clubs are better there than the ones here in OKC without ever going to one in Vegas. There's one here that so bad you need an armed escort with ya the entire time in there (Red Dog Saloon).
Don't make me list all the "other" upsides of that place (Vegas), please!
LOL I won't. Vegas will be getting a NHL team in 2017...only to have them move within 4-10 years plus the Raiders are probably moving there in 2017 or 2018.
I want CHAMPIONSHIPS not chicken poop! And we're getting chicken poop!!!!!!!!!!!
Big 12 And now we get to the attention hog that is the Big 12 as of late. By letting West Virginia go to the ACC, the Big 12 now sits at nine teams. That means adding BYU, Houston, Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, UNLV and Memphis. How can you not be OK with any of those choices for expansion? The metros (outside of Wyoming) are all sizeable and each school is a decent fit in its own way. -
You should probably click on the link in your quote (hint: not the original link that you quoted) to see what he's talking about. It includes the following quote:
That list is now down fewer than 10 teams but the list is reportedly not including any Mountain West teams.
