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WyoVaquero
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I respect the ambition and fortitude of CSU getting a new stadium built. I am a jealous that we don't have that here, but their design of the stadium looks like poop. It is just a simple blah stadium. They could have done a lot better job of designing it and making it more attractive. The honeymoon period will be done a year after it is built.. Folsom field is a way better stadium and it is about 100 years old. I thought we would fall way behind CSU with the addition of the new stadium, but I think that it will not be that big off a difference one our HATC is done. For the fact that their stadium design is poop.
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wyocowboy2014
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I drove by it the other day. I have to hand it to them, good for getting it done. Design may not be fantastic, but they are adding some cool things like the New Belgium beer deck. CSU as a whole is doing some cool things. Across the street from the stadium, they are just finishing their new dorms. As much as it pains me to say it, they poop on Wyoming's tallest buildings. That is another area at UW that greatly needs improvement... the dorms.WyoVaquero wrote:I respect the ambition and fortitude of CSU getting a new stadium built. I am a jealous that we don't have that here, but their design of the stadium looks like poop. It is just a simple blah stadium. They could have done a lot better job of designing it and making it more attractive. The honeymoon period will be done a year after it is built.. Folsom field is a way better stadium and it is about 100 years old. I thought we would fall way behind CSU with the addition of the new stadium, but I think that it will not be that big off a difference one our HATC is done. For the fact that their stadium design is poop.
Yep. Dorms at Wyo are hopelessly small and dated.wyocowboy2014 wrote:I drove by it the other day. I have to hand it to them, good for getting it done. Design may not be fantastic, but they are adding some cool things like the New Belgium beer deck. CSU as a whole is doing some cool things. Across the street from the stadium, they are just finishing their new dorms. As much as it pains me to say it, they poop on Wyoming's tallest buildings. That is another area at UW that greatly needs improvement... the dorms.WyoVaquero wrote:I respect the ambition and fortitude of CSU getting a new stadium built. I am a jealous that we don't have that here, but their design of the stadium looks like poop. It is just a simple blah stadium. They could have done a lot better job of designing it and making it more attractive. The honeymoon period will be done a year after it is built.. Folsom field is a way better stadium and it is about 100 years old. I thought we would fall way behind CSU with the addition of the new stadium, but I think that it will not be that big off a difference one our HATC is done. For the fact that their stadium design is poop.
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In all honesty CSU is just playing catch up to everyone else in the division. Their football facilities will be on par with everyone else's (the 70 yard IPF cancels out the new stadium in my book).
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We are in the early planning phases to replace the dorms. They're supposed to be the next big project after the engineering facility is done.
I don't know if we'll have money for that, since it seems Obama has set the Wyoming economy back 20 f-word years.
Here's an article about our dorms, and pictures of the proposed new dorms at the bottom of the article. If we can ever get rid of the socialists running the country, we might be able to build it.
http://www.wyofile.com/blog/trustees-co ... ing-dorms/
I don't know if we'll have money for that, since it seems Obama has set the Wyoming economy back 20 f-word years.
Here's an article about our dorms, and pictures of the proposed new dorms at the bottom of the article. If we can ever get rid of the socialists running the country, we might be able to build it.
http://www.wyofile.com/blog/trustees-co ... ing-dorms/
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Cowboy Junky wrote:We are in the early planning phases to replace the dorms. They're supposed to be the next big project after the engineering facility is done.
I don't know if we'll have money for that, since it seems Obama has set the Wyoming economy back 20 f-word years.
Here's an article about our dorms, and pictures of the proposed new dorms at the bottom of the article. If we can every get rid of the socialists running the country, we might be able to build it.
http://www.wyofile.com/blog/trustees-co ... ing-dorms/
Spare me the political BS. Wyomings economy has been boom or bust for decades. It has much more to do with our state as a whole not breaking itself away from the teet of the energy industry. This is the consequence of that. Someone said it the other day, Wyoming hasn't been ahead of the curve since women's suffrage.
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I agree that Wyoming's archaic leadership has led to our state remaining a one trick pony economically. Still, if you don't think the last eight years had something to do with the collapse of coal, natural gas, and oil, then I don't know what to tell you.calpoke25 wrote:Cowboy Junky wrote:We are in the early planning phases to replace the dorms. They're supposed to be the next big project after the engineering facility is done.
I don't know if we'll have money for that, since it seems Obama has set the Wyoming economy back 20 f-word years.
Here's an article about our dorms, and pictures of the proposed new dorms at the bottom of the article. If we can every get rid of the socialists running the country, we might be able to build it.
http://www.wyofile.com/blog/trustees-co ... ing-dorms/
Spare me the political BS. Wyomings economy has been boom or bust for decades. It has much more to do with our state as a whole not breaking itself away from the teet of the energy industry. This is the consequence of that. Someone said it the other day, Wyoming hasn't been ahead of the curve since women's suffrage.
Regardless, the dorms is about a 200-250 million dollar project to be completed over a 10 year period. I'm guessing we currently don't have the money to make it happen.
Wyoming Cowboy basketball:
National Champions 1943.
Helm's foundation National Champions 1934.
NCAA tournament MVP and two time College Basketball Player of the Year Kenny Sailors, who is credited with inventing the jump shot.
Do you remember Cowboy Basketball?
I do.
National Champions 1943.
Helm's foundation National Champions 1934.
NCAA tournament MVP and two time College Basketball Player of the Year Kenny Sailors, who is credited with inventing the jump shot.
Do you remember Cowboy Basketball?
I do.
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They better find a way to fund those new dorms. Enrollment will never increase if we don't catch up with schools around us. Most if today's kids won't settle for second best. Obama is not to blame for this either. Wyoming's leaders need to be more progressive in their thinking. We need to bring in more technology, more tourism, and more jobs!
I've heard Obama blamed heavily for the coal collapse. I'm not an energy expert, but from what I can tell:
1.) A bunch of new natural gas wells have come on out east making natural gas pretty cheap and causing demand for coal to fall.
2.) We had a warm winter last year in the US - less demand for electricity
3.) We are still pretty damn dependent on Coal, Gas, and Oil.
4.) Our economy is more diverse than the last bust. But not nearly to the level it needs to be to sustain itself.
I get better cell service in the middle of nowhere Wyoming than downtown Denver most of the time. We have pretty decent internet connectivity. Lots of mountains and outdoor things to do. I don't see why we don't try to attract more technology firms.
1.) A bunch of new natural gas wells have come on out east making natural gas pretty cheap and causing demand for coal to fall.
2.) We had a warm winter last year in the US - less demand for electricity
3.) We are still pretty damn dependent on Coal, Gas, and Oil.
4.) Our economy is more diverse than the last bust. But not nearly to the level it needs to be to sustain itself.
I get better cell service in the middle of nowhere Wyoming than downtown Denver most of the time. We have pretty decent internet connectivity. Lots of mountains and outdoor things to do. I don't see why we don't try to attract more technology firms.
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You're almost on point with point 1. The Marcellus play in PA has significantly hurt both coal and natural gas in the Western US. They're closer to market and the play is so prolific they can add a lot of volume "on demand" so to speak. That being said, coal fired power plants have taken the brunt of the EPAs new regulations for air pollution issues (particulate matter, mercury pollution, sulfur pollution, greenhouse gasses, etc). Which has significantly dropped the price of coal, as no one can permit updates/upgrades to coal fired power plants due to the regulatory burdens and time needed to get permits. There's now a diminishing demand for coal in the US for probably the first time ever. In essence you can place that blame entirely on the EPA. The second side that especially hurts Wyoming is the fact that the Department of the Interior has put a halt on new coal leases on Federal lands. This essentially shuts down any mine expansion in the Powder River Basin until they decide to allow leasing.WyoBrandX wrote:I've heard Obama blamed heavily for the coal collapse. I'm not an energy expert, but from what I can tell:
1.) A bunch of new natural gas wells have come on out east making natural gas pretty cheap and causing demand for coal to fall.
2.) We had a warm winter last year in the US - less demand for electricity
3.) We are still pretty damn dependent on Coal, Gas, and Oil.
4.) Our economy is more diverse than the last bust. But not nearly to the level it needs to be to sustain itself.
I get better cell service in the middle of nowhere Wyoming than downtown Denver most of the time. We have pretty decent internet connectivity. Lots of mountains and outdoor things to do. I don't see why we don't try to attract more technology firms.
Those are two pretty heavy handed tactics to kill the coal industry by regulating the hell out of it.
Back on topic now:
Well good for the sheep. 2017 they'll sell out the opener, maybe the second game, then they'll have a bigger stadium than what they have now, that will be at 1/3 capacity most of the time.
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3 words: Good 'ol boysWyoBrandX wrote:Lots of mountains and outdoor things to do. I don't see why we don't try to attract more technology firms.
For some reason, the people in the state of Wyoming are hell-bent against change. It comes with the conservative nature of the state I suppose. But I don't understand why people are so opposed to creating jobs and employing people in Wyoming in the wind and solar power industries. Those jobs are going to go somewhere, why not Wyoming??? And I get that those industries hurt fossil fuels to a certain extent, but they are going to be created one way or another, might as well keep them in the state instead of in California or elsewhere.
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On point. Can't take money from one just to give incentives to companies that would hurt your bank rolllWestWYOPoke wrote:3 words: Good 'ol boysWyoBrandX wrote:Lots of mountains and outdoor things to do. I don't see why we don't try to attract more technology firms.
For some reason, the people in the state of Wyoming are hell-bent against change. It comes with the conservative nature of the state I suppose. But I don't understand why people are so opposed to creating jobs and employing people in Wyoming in the wind and solar power industries. Those jobs are going to go somewhere, why not Wyoming??? And I get that those industries hurt fossil fuels to a certain extent, but they are going to be created one way or another, might as well keep them in the state instead of in California or elsewhere.
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I don't think Obama is wholly to blame for Wyoming's economy right now, but he sure hasn't helped and has actively hurt. There are the actions GoPoke86 wrote about that have hurt coal especially combined with the natural gas play out east. In other words when you have market factors that are making coal not as strong, coals ability to deal with increased regulations is nil. Given Obama's rhetoric while he was campaigning tells me they know this. Additionally, health care insurance costs continue to restrict our economy and his signature domestic legislation the ACA has not helped (arguably it made things worse). Further, the National Forest Service regional office in Denver has severely cut funding to Wyoming National Forests (Bighorn cut by 25-28%) while increasing the budgets of National Forests in Colorado. Then BLM making things more difficult and requiring ridiculous bonding for oil companies while oil is down. These are all things that are actions by Obama and his Departments that are actively hurting the Wyoming economy.
Ultimately though it isn't up to our legislature, governor, or the U.S. government to diversify our economy. That is up to us individual Wyomingites. Wyoming has been diversifying, and things look better than 1980's (knock on wood), but we have a way to go. Tourism helps, but when 6 million tourists generate only 1/3 the tax revenue of our mining, tourism will only go so far. Tech and manufacturing, I think there is where we can focus some energy and time on. One thing that would help, if they figure out if you can get rare earth materials from oil/natural gas waste water in an economical manner.
As for wind, Wyoming is calling these company's bluffs. How long did Wyoming get taken for a ride before passing a state severance tax? These companies are going to build wind farms and transmission lines that do affect view shed, landscape, and land access. If these energy sources are marketable, well time for them to start playing by at least similar rules to other energy sources. There are reasons that they are looking to build these wind farms in Wyoming rather than in California in the first place. Personally, I don't particularly like it when companies head quartered in other states make huge bank using Wyoming resources while Wyoming gets table scraps. Oil and coal used to be that way, did we learn from that?
To try and bring the above back to the topic of this thread, there were plenty of people I knew while I was living in Colorado that were ticked about this stadium. They have no ties to CSU, and they look at attendance and wonder why they need a stadium that big. Colorado may look rosy right now, but there are some potentially serious economic issues. Cost of home ownership such as home costs, property taxes, homeowners insurance, and hoa fees are rising fast and far outpacing wages. Even with current economies, my family is in far better financial shape now in Wyoming than we were in Colorado. My point is not to say that Colorado is awful and heading for disaster and Wyoming is fine, rather it is pointing out the grass is not always greener and both states and both UW and CSU have their challenges. Though UW's biggest obstacle when it comes to athletics seems to be the director, and that is not good.
Ultimately though it isn't up to our legislature, governor, or the U.S. government to diversify our economy. That is up to us individual Wyomingites. Wyoming has been diversifying, and things look better than 1980's (knock on wood), but we have a way to go. Tourism helps, but when 6 million tourists generate only 1/3 the tax revenue of our mining, tourism will only go so far. Tech and manufacturing, I think there is where we can focus some energy and time on. One thing that would help, if they figure out if you can get rare earth materials from oil/natural gas waste water in an economical manner.
As for wind, Wyoming is calling these company's bluffs. How long did Wyoming get taken for a ride before passing a state severance tax? These companies are going to build wind farms and transmission lines that do affect view shed, landscape, and land access. If these energy sources are marketable, well time for them to start playing by at least similar rules to other energy sources. There are reasons that they are looking to build these wind farms in Wyoming rather than in California in the first place. Personally, I don't particularly like it when companies head quartered in other states make huge bank using Wyoming resources while Wyoming gets table scraps. Oil and coal used to be that way, did we learn from that?
To try and bring the above back to the topic of this thread, there were plenty of people I knew while I was living in Colorado that were ticked about this stadium. They have no ties to CSU, and they look at attendance and wonder why they need a stadium that big. Colorado may look rosy right now, but there are some potentially serious economic issues. Cost of home ownership such as home costs, property taxes, homeowners insurance, and hoa fees are rising fast and far outpacing wages. Even with current economies, my family is in far better financial shape now in Wyoming than we were in Colorado. My point is not to say that Colorado is awful and heading for disaster and Wyoming is fine, rather it is pointing out the grass is not always greener and both states and both UW and CSU have their challenges. Though UW's biggest obstacle when it comes to athletics seems to be the director, and that is not good.
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I agree with you guys. I don't understand why the people of Wyoming are so against change. I know it's cold here, but it's also cold in Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan but those places seems to grow and progress. I know a lot of people who have moved to Colorado who say that if there was a little more to do or more jobs, they would gladly stay in Wyoming. I am a firm believer in either you progress or regress, there is no staying the same.
Why hasn't anyone started/moved a tech company to Cheyenne? I understand a lot of people like the Boulder area, but it's so expensive and congested. Couldn't at least one company succeed by finding employees who would prefer the lifestyle and benefits of Cheyenne over Denver?
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Microsoft has a data center in Cheyenne that has apparently been very successful. I've heard rumors from friends in construction that Amazon and Google are both looking at building out here, too. Tech is definitely an area that we could expand in a hurry in Wyoming!DVDA wrote:Why hasn't anyone started/moved a tech company to Cheyenne? I understand a lot of people like the Boulder area, but it's so expensive and congested. Couldn't at least one company succeed by finding employees who would prefer the lifestyle and benefits of Cheyenne over Denver?
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Uunderwriters Laboratories has a new operation in Laramie. There's definitely been a push for infrastructure investment for the sector. Cirrus Sky Technology Park is supposed to be site-ready for tech firms.WYO1016 wrote:Microsoft has a data center in Cheyenne that has apparently been very successful. I've heard rumors from friends in construction that Amazon and Google are both looking at building out here, too. Tech is definitely an area that we could expand in a hurry in Wyoming!DVDA wrote:Why hasn't anyone started/moved a tech company to Cheyenne? I understand a lot of people like the Boulder area, but it's so expensive and congested. Couldn't at least one company succeed by finding employees who would prefer the lifestyle and benefits of Cheyenne over Denver?
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Because there is more wind in Wyoming consistently than in California would be my guess.Expat_Poke wrote:There are reasons that they are looking to build these wind farms in Wyoming rather than in California in the first place.
Microsoft has several data centers in Cheyenne. NCAR has one - and is upgrading.Wyovanian wrote:Uunderwriters Laboratories has a new operation in Laramie. There's definitely been a push for infrastructure investment for the sector. Cirrus Sky Technology Park is supposed to be site-ready for tech firms.WYO1016 wrote:Microsoft has a data center in Cheyenne that has apparently been very successful. I've heard rumors from friends in construction that Amazon and Google are both looking at building out here, too. Tech is definitely an area that we could expand in a hurry in Wyoming!DVDA wrote:Why hasn't anyone started/moved a tech company to Cheyenne? I understand a lot of people like the Boulder area, but it's so expensive and congested. Couldn't at least one company succeed by finding employees who would prefer the lifestyle and benefits of Cheyenne over Denver?
Cheyenne is definitely leading the growth in Wyoming. The problem is - the rest of the state isn't. We need a bunch of this stuff up in Gillette, Rock Springs, and other energy towns to balance things out.
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It in't just Cheyenne. They are leading, but I think part of that is population and proximity to the Colorado Front Range. Laramie is trying to bring in some, and I believe they have brought in others (like Underwriter Laboratories). Durant and Absaroka County, er I mean, Buffalo and Johnson County have started on plans to for a tech centered business park. Will anything come of it or will it just sit empty once built, I dunno, but where they are going to place it does have a great view of the Bighorns. Sorry for the Longmire reference, but that is an example where one Wyomingite from Ucross has through his creativity and his novels (with the help of the TV show) helped to created an event that brings in about 8-12,000 people to Buffalo for a weekend. I doubt it will last much more than the TV show, but it has helped Buffalo in this downturn. Meanwhile Sheridan has their Hi-Tech Business Sheridan Work Park. Don't know about Gillette. There are a number of interesting start ups on the other side of the Bighorns notably Powell. Cody has a large employer in the form of manufacturing pharmaceuticals, and they are expanding their operations.WyoBrandX wrote:Microsoft has several data centers in Cheyenne. NCAR has one - and is upgrading.Wyovanian wrote:Uunderwriters Laboratories has a new operation in Laramie. There's definitely been a push for infrastructure investment for the sector. Cirrus Sky Technology Park is supposed to be site-ready for tech firms.WYO1016 wrote:Microsoft has a data center in Cheyenne that has apparently been very successful. I've heard rumors from friends in construction that Amazon and Google are both looking at building out here, too. Tech is definitely an area that we could expand in a hurry in Wyoming!DVDA wrote:Why hasn't anyone started/moved a tech company to Cheyenne? I understand a lot of people like the Boulder area, but it's so expensive and congested. Couldn't at least one company succeed by finding employees who would prefer the lifestyle and benefits of Cheyenne over Denver?
Cheyenne is definitely leading the growth in Wyoming. The problem is - the rest of the state isn't. We need a bunch of this stuff up in Gillette, Rock Springs, and other energy towns to balance things out.
Could the rest of the state be doing better, probably, but it isn't just Cheyenne.
Of interest may be the Wyoming Economic Development Association. Their last newsletter was March 2016 March 2016 WEDA Newsletter. Overall I think they have a good strategy going forward to help diversify our economy.
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