Keenan Montgomery reflects on being a young black in Wyoming

[DocHolliday]

SN I am not trying to be divisive at all, however, my point is I am thoroughly at the end of my rope with this constant bitching about the one way racial crapola.

If Kennan Montgomery wishes to talk about his own people and the horrendous statistics concerning black on black crime, and more disturbing, black on white crime, then perhaps I'll listen.

Nobody should have to be subjected to the alleged incident he is talking about. On the other hand if we were to compare raw and inarguable statistics concerning racial abuse then Montgomery and his story would pale in comparison to other incidents, none that the corporately run media wishes to report on.

Lastly, when I go back and think about the unfair and one sided ridiculousness that plagued the Wyoming football program in light of the 'Black 14' situation, the smearing of a great man and coach that Lloyd Eaton was, this kind of stuff further fuels my disgust.

[SnowyRange]

SN I am not trying to be divisive at all, however, my point is I am thoroughly at the end of my rope with this constant bitching about the one way racial crapola.

If Kennan Montgomery wishes to talk about his own people and the horrendous statistics concerning black on back crime, and more disturbing, black on white crime, then perhaps I'll listen.

C'mon, Doc.

You know as well as I do that being a young black man in Wyoming is going to be a lot different than in other places.

And that's what he wanted to talk about...understandably. He doesn't need to only speak on your topics or shut his mouth. You can record whatever you want, too, but this "love or leave it stuff" is kind of lame.

[DocHolliday]

SN I am not trying to be divisive at all, however, my point is I am thoroughly at the end of my rope with this constant bitching about the one way racial crapola.

If Kennan Montgomery wishes to talk about his own people and the horrendous statistics concerning black on back crime, and more disturbing, black on white crime, then perhaps I'll listen.

C'mon, Doc.

You know as well as I do that being a young black man in Wyoming is going to be a lot different than in other places.

And that's what he wanted to talk about...understandably. He doesn't need to only speak on your topics or shut his mouth. You can record whatever you want, too, but this "love or leave it stuff" is kind of lame.

Would the residents of Detroit or any other urban cesspool listen to my bitching about my stories of racial abuse?

Lame or not, my statement stands. You don't like it here - then leave. I believe that's what you or I would hear in many other places.

[Cornpoke]

Living in Laramie and having grown up in the south. I can tell you I grew up with much more racism in the south than I ever experienced in Laramie. I still remember the first time I visited Oxford Miss (Ole Miss) to visit a friend of mine in college there. I was stunned by the racism spouted by some of these elitist white frat boys. It was sickening.

That being said, racism in the south doesn't seem to be stopping black players from wanting to play in the SEC. Yes racism probably exists just about everywhere but it seems minimal to in Laramie and Wyoming in general compared to what I grew up with. It's easier to give a place like Laramie a black eye because racism shouldn't exist there. The same reason the Mathew shepherd murder became such a big deal with the media, because things like that shouldn't happen in Laramie. Your telling me no one outside of Wyoming has been killed because they are gay? Let's not be so ignorant.

[DocHolliday]

Living in Laramie and having grown up in the south. I can tell you I grew up with much more racism in the south than I ever experienced in Laramie. I still remember the first time I visited Oxford Miss (Ole Miss) to visit a friend of mine in college there. I was stunned by the racism spouted by some of these elitist white frat boys. It was sickening.

That being said, racism in the south doesn't seem to be stopping black players from wanting to play in the SEC. Yes racism probably exists just about everywhere but it seems minimal to in Laramie and Wyoming in general compared to what I grew up with. It's easier to give a place like Laramie a black eye because racism shouldn't exist there. The same reason the Mathew shepherd murder became such a big deal with the media, because things like that shouldn't happen in Laramie. Your telling me no one outside of Wyoming has been killed because they are gay? Let's not be so ignorant.

Points taken, CP, but lets make sure we get our facts in order.

Matt Sheppard was killed by a fellow the deed -- not some person hellbent of killing someone with an alternative 'lifestyle'.

The narrative in regard to that case, like many others, has been distorted by the mainstream media to fit their own agenda and to promote a cause while vilifying an entire other group of people.

[BeaverPoke]

As someone who is from Wyoming, who actually went to the University of Wyoming, and has lived in Laramie for several years, I wish you would just shut the f-word up and keep your arrogant and ignorant statements and opinions to yourself Dino.

You are an absolutely horrible representative of Wyoming football, the University of Wyoming, and everything about my state.

You have the right to say what you want, you are going to put on some asinine act to be an internet tough guy and spout some garbage about how Wyoming is your state now, and all that crap, but the reality is, you are a jack ass.
Get off your damn high horse. The kid has his right to say what he wants, he can reflect on his story the way he wants. And the beauty of it is that he can say this regardless of how you view the story.

[DocHolliday]

As someone who is from Wyoming, who actually went to the University of Wyoming, and has lived in Laramie for several years, I wish you would just shut the f-word up and keep your arrogant and ignorant statements and opinions to yourself Dino.

You are an absolutely horrible representative of Wyoming football, the University of Wyoming, and everything about my state.

You have the right to say what you want, you are going to put on some asinine act to be an internet tough guy and spout some garbage about how Wyoming is your state now, and all that crap, but the reality is, you are a jack ass.
Get off your damn high horse. The kid has his right to say what he wants, he can reflect on his story the way he wants. And the beauty of it is that he can say this regardless of how you view the story.

Predictable and expected.

Facts be dammed.

And...'tough guy?'

Look in the mirror, kid.

Lastly, here is some more ignorance for you to consider: http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

P.S. Keep wishing.

[PokeOLoco]

We're not talking about black on white, black on black crime, or white on white crime. We're talking about what two guys experienced, especially during one moment in our town.

[Brew_Poke]

Stop grandstanding, Keenan. Racism abounds in all walks with all people and with all colors.

If you don't like Wyoming or Laramie nobody is forcing you to stay.

I don't apologize.

Wow. Suspicions confirmed.

[Brew_Poke]

SN I am not trying to be divisive at all, however, my point is I am thoroughly at the end of my rope with this constant bitching about the one way racial crapola.

If Kennan Montgomery wishes to talk about his own people and the horrendous statistics concerning black on black crime, and more disturbing, black on white crime, then perhaps I'll listen.

Nobody should have to be subjected to the alleged incident he is talking about. On the other hand if we were to compare raw and inarguable statistics concerning racial abuse then Montgomery and his story would pale in comparison to other incidents, none that the corporately run media wishes to report on.

Lastly, when I go back and think about the unfair and one sided ridiculousness that plagued the Wyoming football program in light of the 'Black 14' situation, the smearing of a great man and coach that Lloyd Eaton was, this kind of stuff further fuels my disgust.

Holy f-word poop. Aren't you late for a cross burning somewhere?

[Brew_Poke]

Living in Laramie and having grown up in the south. I can tell you I grew up with much more racism in the south than I ever experienced in Laramie. I still remember the first time I visited Oxford Miss (Ole Miss) to visit a friend of mine in college there. I was stunned by the racism spouted by some of these elitist white frat boys. It was sickening.

That being said, racism in the south doesn't seem to be stopping black players from wanting to play in the SEC. Yes racism probably exists just about everywhere but it seems minimal to in Laramie and Wyoming in general compared to what I grew up with. It's easier to give a place like Laramie a black eye because racism shouldn't exist there. The same reason the Mathew shepherd murder became such a big deal with the media, because things like that shouldn't happen in Laramie. Your telling me no one outside of Wyoming has been killed because they are gay? Let's not be so ignorant.

Points taken, CP, but lets make sure we get our facts in order.

Matt Sheppard was killed by a fellow the deed -- not some person hellbent of killing someone with an alternative 'lifestyle'.

The narrative in regard to that case, like many others, has been distorted by the mainstream media to fit their own agenda and to promote a cause while vilifying an entire other group of people.

Goddamn you're a huge f-word bigot.

[kansasCowboy]

I kinda with Dino on this. I appreciate what Keenan said, and whole heartedly agree that he has the right to bring this to attention. But so does any white person who gets blasted by blacks. It does go both ways.
Case in point, Ferguson Missou. A white cop shoots a black kid, and it's the end of the world. Even when the evidence is clear that the cop did what he needed to do.
A week later a black cop shoots and kills a white unarmed boy in Salt Lake City and it was justified? It seems that because of our nations past whites will always have to keep their mouths shut and listen to the blacks about the "hard lives" that blacks apparently lead today. And then when while white people are constantly robbed and mugged at gun point, some murdered, others raped, we need to keep silent, because we're a bigoted, racist people...
I have been told straight up by blacks that if I look down on them and call them the "N" word, I'm racist. But when they look down on a white person and call them Cracker, John Brown, etc, it's only pregidous. Hmm?
That's the state of mind between the two races. One needs to keep quiet, keep their thoughts and opinions to themselves and the other can say what they want, when they want and pretty much get away with it. And no, I'm not saying "Everybody" on each side does this.
Personal experience:
I live in Kansas, my wife was having our daughter in St Louis. I left work and drove all night to get to St Louis. Because I was in a rush, I did not change out of my State of Kansas DOC uniform, which looks more like a cops uniform. When I got to the hospital not even the black lady behind the front desk was willing to help me, she blatently ignored me until I politely got her attention. Black nurses and aides steered clear of me. When I got to an open elevator a black family, who was already in the elevator (3 total) held the door open for a black nurse, when I tried to step in, I was confronted with, "This elevator is already full. You'll have to wait for the next one." It had a capacity to hold 9 people. As I stepped back, three other black nurses turned the corner saying to another that they were going to take the elevator up. When they saw me, they stood at a distance and just whispered to eachother. When the next empty elevator opened they stepped in and so did I. After I pushed the button to my floor, two of them stepped back out and left me with one black male nurse.
On our way up we had a conversation:
Me, "Geese is everyone around here this friendly?"
Nurse, looking at my badge, " State of Kansas DOC officer, huh?"
Me, "Yeah."
Nurse, "You really should've changed out of that before you came here."
Me, "Really? Why?"
Nurse, "If you want to be at risk, then it's up to you."
Me, "what's that supposed to mean? I was in a hurry to get here to my wife."
Nurse,"I'd just take it off if I were you."
After I got to my floor, I found the nurses station, which had a black police officer in uniform standing at it talking to all the nurses, black and white (mostly black). When I walked up everyone, including the police officer hushed. I asked the young black woman sitting right in front of me for my wife's room number. All I got was her keeping her head down and silence. I then asked if "somebody" could give me my wife's location. Another black nurse came had to come out from an office behind the desk and was cordial enough to give me my wife's info.
As I walked away, talking resumed, and I was the subject matter at that point.
While I sat next to my wife, a black nurse came in to check on her, when she saw me she turned and walked out, a few minutes later a white nurse came in and introduced herself and said she would be completing the checkups for the day.
I had even more encounters while going back down to my car to get my bag and a change of clothes. But it's all about the same. Some of you may say, well, they shy away from all officer uniforms, not the case, because even in street clothes I was treated way different. Even Hispanics were treated better than me. The whole time, I never posed a threat, I was polite and nice, and I was met with negativity and cowardess. And yet, the whole time there, I was the minority.
I feel for both sides. But, nothing will change. Blacks are born and bred to believe that most if not all whites are the devil. And whites are told to be respectful and accepting and quiet.

[Lost Poke]

This thread seriously needs to die a quick death.

[fromolwyoming]

It started out with a point, and then Dino the bigot once again derails it.

This was supposed to be about a kid's experience here doing nothing more than driving down the street, only to have 2 idiots hang a noose in front of him for no other reason than the color of his skin. That is a horrible thing to happen here, especially to a kid, not that it should happen to anyone, and what does Dino the bigot do? Try and deflect it by saying "Well, black on white crime is a huge thing! He probably did something like that to a poor white person!"

[DocHolliday]

LOL!

[Asmodeanreborn]

Yay, nothing like downplaying somebody's terrible experience! "Black people totally do awful things to each other and white people too!"

Here's the thing... I've never been the target of undue attention just for the color of my skin. I'm pretty sure that's something every single African American over the age of 15 can't say, though.

[Wyovanian]

As someone who is from Wyoming, who actually went to the University of Wyoming, and has lived in Laramie for several years, I wish you would just shut the f-word up and keep your arrogant and ignorant statements and opinions to yourself Dino.

You are an absolutely horrible representative of Wyoming football, the University of Wyoming, and everything about my state.

You have the right to say what you want, you are going to put on some asinine act to be an internet tough guy and spout some garbage about how Wyoming is your state now, and all that crap, but the reality is, you are a jack ass.
Get off your damn high horse. The kid has his right to say what he wants, he can reflect on his story the way he wants. And the beauty of it is that he can say this regardless of how you view the story.

You're attacking the messenger, not really listening to his message.

Doc/ Dino's not one of my favorite poeple- he went off the deep personal end one time too many, but he's got a point here, and it's in no way an espousal of bigoted views.

Montgomery's got every right to relay this story and express his views, however, as someone who grew up in Laramie, lived in Las Vegas, and has spent quite a bit of time in a lot of other places, I have to say, it's a bit of a mountain-out-of-a-molehill scenario. I've witnessed far more racism, both blatant and latent, outside of Wyoming than I ever have there. Hell, on a recent visit to FoCo I saw three or four rednecked pickups driving almost in convoy around town flying great big Confederate flags and belching smoke out of their tractor smokestack exhausts.

Fact is, there's always going to be an ignorant element, anywhere you go, but the idea that Wyoming is more racist than other places in the U.S. just isn't supported by either facts or experience.

[BeaverPoke]

As someone who is from Wyoming, who actually went to the University of Wyoming, and has lived in Laramie for several years, I wish you would just shut the f-word up and keep your arrogant and ignorant statements and opinions to yourself Dino.

You are an absolutely horrible representative of Wyoming football, the University of Wyoming, and everything about my state.

You have the right to say what you want, you are going to put on some asinine act to be an internet tough guy and spout some garbage about how Wyoming is your state now, and all that crap, but the reality is, you are a jack ass.
Get off your damn high horse. The kid has his right to say what he wants, he can reflect on his story the way he wants. And the beauty of it is that he can say this regardless of how you view the story.

You're attacking the messenger, not really listening to his message.

Doc/ Dino's not one of my favorite poeple- he went off the deep personal end one time too many, but he's got a point here, and it's in no way an espousal of bigoted views.

Montgomery's got every right to relay this story and express his views, however, as someone who grew up in Laramie, lived in Las Vegas, and has spent quite a bit of time in a lot of other places, I have to say, it's a bit of a mountain-out-of-a-molehill scenario. I've witnessed far more racism, both blatant and latent, outside of Wyoming than I ever have there. Hell, on a recent visit to FoCo I saw three or four rednecked pickups driving almost in convoy around town flying great big Confederate flags and belching smoke out of their tractor smokestack exhausts.

Fact is, there's always going to be an ignorant element, anywhere you go, but the idea that Wyoming is more racist than other places in the U.S. just isn't supported by either facts or experience.

You're damn right I'm attacking the messanger.
That huge piece of poop gives the rest of Wyo fans a bad name. I don't care what message itself is, we can discuss that outside a sports forum.
That ignorant bigot is the only one on here with a radio show where he is not only allowed to but paid to spout his worthless garbage. So I don't want him associated with my state or university.

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I may not like the response this gets, but what did Dino say that was bigoted? Look I dislike that dude as much as anyone on this board but I don't see what he said that was so egregious. His comment on Matthew Shepard is 100% correct, that was not a hate crime based on his the deed orientation.

I am not looking for a flaming, just curious why, on a board screaming for equality and open mindedness, a person that expresses his opinion is being trashed....

[fromolwyoming]

I may not like the response this gets, but what did Dino say that was bigoted? Look I dislike that dude as much as anyone on this board but I don't see what he said that was so egregious. His comment on Matthew Shepard is 100% correct, that was not a hate crime based on his the deed orientation.

I am not looking for a flaming, just curious why, on a board screaming for equality and open mindedness, a person that expresses his opinion is being trashed....

Have you read any of his previous posts? He's made it very clear he's a bigot. Not to mention he deflected what Keenan Montgomery said by bringing up black on black and black on white crime, insinuating that Montgomery, since he's black, would somehow be involved with those.