Jordan Stanton's Hit

[GoPokes86]

Yeah, he is either completely out, or damn near it. Again, I hate to even resemble "defending" Calhoun (cause he's a dick), but 99.9% of this is on the Sports Medicine staff. If they told coach he was good to go, no way does he think otherwise. Now if the docs told him the player was done and he put him back in anyway, that's grounds for immediate termination, but I very much doubt that that is what happened.

I have no idea what the words were that the trainer used, but I watched him administer the test and #32 was wobbly and couldn't balance or do any of the tests they put him through and then the trainer walked away shaking his head...

I saw the exact same thing, one of the tests was for the player to cross his legs and try and stay standing, #32 couldn't do it. I was completely shocked to see him back in the game. The telling sign will be if he plays in AFA's game this weekend, or if he's held out for "concussion like symptoms". The guy Kankolongo knocked out last year played the rest of the game, then sat the next week.

[GoPokes86]

All that being said, what a hit by Stanton. That dude is a stud and I hope he keeps knocking the poop out of people this year.

[kansasCowboy]

I don't think Hart was knocked out, I think he did sustain a neck stinger, which will make you go limp as well. But watching the hit a few times, he stayed conscious but couldn't move.

[fromolwyoming]

I don't think Hart was knocked out, I think he did sustain a neck stinger, which will make you go limp as well. But watching the hit a few times, he stayed conscious but couldn't move.

I've seen plenty of people get knocked out, even experienced it a couple times myself. Hart went out cold.

[knhendon]

Hart was out - - his own teammates were calling for medical attention as they helped him to the sidelines.

No attempt to cover, regain the ball. It appeared, he had trouble passing concussion testing and the dude looked jacked off smelling salts late in the game.

2 years in a row - - and no inquiry. I know "it happens everywhere," but that shouldn't be an excuse in today's game with the current precautions for head injuries.

As Coach Christensen said, "nice F*#king ethics."

[BackHarlowRoad]

2 years in a row - - and no inquiry. I know "it happens everywhere," but that shouldn't be an excuse in today's game with the current precautions for head injuries.

Yup. Huge difference between casting up a broken bone or playing through a bad sprain and a head injury. Huge.

[laxwyo]

You can be knocked out without getting a concussion

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

You can be knocked out without getting a concussion

No doubt but when you're being asked to stand one foot in front of the other with your arms crossed and you damn near fall over, concussed or not you shouldn't be on the field.

[laxwyo]

You can be knocked out without getting a concussion

No doubt but when you're being asked to stand one foot in front of the other with your arms crossed and you damn near fall over, concussed or not you shouldn't be on the field.

It can take a while to regain all of your capabilities after being knocked out. Either way, if you're concussed or not but still have jelly legs, you shouldn't go in

[knhendon]

Maybe Hart thought he was Batman and Calhoun was his assistant....

I miss those commercials...

[WestWYOPoke]

You can be knocked out without getting a concussion

When dealing with head trauma, No you can't. According to the Zurich guidelines (gold standard for concussion policy), ANY loss of consciousness, even if only for a second or two, is a concussion. It's probably the only one concrete, measurable guideline for what is a concussion.

You can have a concussion without loss of consciousness, but you can't have LOC without having a concussion. (Except of course for lack of circulation to the brain, which definitely didn't happen here.)

[laxwyo]

I just read that Zurich thing and your are wrong. Loss of consciousness is not an immediate diagnosable concussion but just another symptom in diagnosing one. However, it's a very easy symptom to recognize as opposed to the repeated hits that don't raise flags. Getting knocked out is a definite red flag

[WestWYOPoke]

Fair enough, Zurich did not come out and say something as black and white as I put in my previous post. However, they did note that "Although published findings in concussion describe LOC associated with specific, early cognitive deficits, it has not been noted as a measure of injury severity". Early cognitive deficits doesn't exactly translate to concussion, but it's not too far off.

Also, using the guidelines set by Dr. Bob Cantu, an expert in concussion research and the guy that the NFL calls when they need to know more about concussions, a LOC is definitely a concussion. This can be seen by his old grading standard of concussions where a Grade I concussion is mild and a Grade II or III concussion is one where a LOC is present and severity depends on other compounding symptoms. Now Cantu no longer uses that scale because current research is going away from grading severity of concussion, but the point I'm trying to make is clear, in the mind of one of, if not the, most prominent concussion researcher in the United States, a LOC = concussion.

All research and formal guidelines aside, if you ask any concussion researcher, collegiate team physician or athletic trainer in the country if a LOC = concussion, a resounding majority will tell you yes. To put it simply, a concussion is an injury to the brain where normal cognitive functioning is interrupted or impaired. Is it normal functioning for a brain, upon direct trauma, to "reboot" resulting in an LOC...no.

[laxwyo]

With the recent emphasis on concussions, it doesn't surprise me that the threshold for what is considered a concussion has been downgraded. I do believe that removal from the game should be standard for LOC.

[YankPoke]

As someone who has had multiple concussions and got told I couldn't play contact sports anymore my senior year of high school, loss of consciousness is a concussion no matter what. Every time there is LOC it is a concussion but you don't have to lose it to have a concussion. As far as letting players back in sometimes it is hard to tell immediately after, my first concussion was severe and I still have post concussive disorder 6 years later, but I didn't know I had a concussion until over 3 hours after the incident occurred.

[djm19]

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This has his hit on it

[djm19]

2:56 mark

[fromolwyoming]

Watched it the other day, and it confirmed that the FB for Air Force, Hart, got KTFO.

[BackHarlowRoad]

Pretty simple really;

concussion: a traumatic brain injury that alters the way your brain functions.

If you are saying that losing consciousness is a normal brain function, you need to get yours checked on it's functioning as well.

[WestWYOPoke]

Pretty simple really;

concussion: a traumatic brain injury that alters the way your brain functions.

If you are saying that losing consciousness is a normal brain function, you need to get yours checked on it's functioning as well.

+1. I was wondering if you were going to throw your into this discussion.