Phase 2 delayed??

Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:18 pm

Just heard on the news that phase 2 of renovations is delayed because bids came in too high, lack of funding?

What the hell?

Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:38 pm

Shocker. Design has been altered several times including scaled back. Still can't pay for it. Now it is postponed for another year. How about eliminating any club area or suites?! Not needed. Then sell beer and we have the construction fully funded.

Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:36 pm

Burman leadership strikes again.

Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:21 pm

Seems like this has been coming for a while. All those articles describing phase 2 in vague terms and using words like "should, could, potentially etc. etc"

Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:58 am

Looks like no club seating. I was not a huge fan of this, anyway, because of the reduced capacity.

Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:36 am

Cuttslam wrote:Burman leadership strikes again.

Pfeewww! There for a second people were talking good of Burman. Back to normal.

Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:54 am

LanderPoke wrote:Looks like no club seating. I was not a huge fan of this, anyway, because of the reduced capacity.

So what? People never fill it to it's max capacity anyways, and the club seating would make it look nice instead of just a huge room.

I bet the issue is that those lower bowl season ticket holders that show up for 1 game a year decided even they didn't want to fork out money for the suites if they were only going to use them 1 time per season and then there was no money for the suites.

Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:50 pm

I don't know if it's the case in Wyoming, but in Minnesota a lot of stadium projects that are split into two phases rarely make it to the second phase. It's split into two phases so it's easier to get the funding, but it's like the second phase is forgotten.

Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:19 pm

Calling, Gerry Spence.

Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:32 pm

AWESOME!!! The CSU trolls are going to have a field day with this news.....

Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:28 am

Here is the lowdown folks:

There are three main issues why the projects has been delayed.

1. Other on campus projects are over budget mainly the Fine Arts project at the tune of 9m. The AA Plase II was projected to be 3m over budget.

2. With all the development on the front range there are very few contractors available for such work thus their rates have risen.

3. With 1 and 2 in mind the design of the renovations on the OUTSIDE where redesigned to meet a cheaper budget (the inside plans remain the same). The big time donors and the state legislature did not like the altered designs so the project is being delayed so we can get a design the donors and state like that meets

Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:14 am

Wicks wrote:Here is the lowdown folks:

There are three main issues why the projects has been delayed.

1. Other on campus projects are over budget mainly the Fine Arts project at the tune of 9m. The AA Plase II was projected to be 3m over budget.

2. With all the development on the front range there are very few contractors available for such work thus their rates have risen.

3. With 1 and 2 in mind the design of the renovations on the OUTSIDE where redesigned to meet a cheaper budget (the inside plans remain the same). The big time donors and the state legislature did not like the altered designs so the project is being delayed so we can get a design the donors and state like that meets

What a miserable waste of money,

Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:26 am

Phase 1 took it on the chin, and had to be reworked on the fly. Not necessarily in the bowels of the AA (locker-rooms, weight room, etc.) but the seating got jacked. There was more seating lost than anticipated, etc., etc.

Then the reseating process, which was about as poorly done as it could have been. Not including the new seat premiums as a revenue source of course. And not one person was held accountable for it. Not one person. How does this happen? Rhetorical question.

Now this, which some knew would happen. Phase 2 is fully off the agenda, for at least this year if not many more - maybe forever as it originally was planned. Money isn't going to fall into the state's lap the next few years (oil, gas, coal). But yet, the excuses are that the state and major donors couldn't agree &/or didn't like it. Excuses. Where, really is the ownership of this bitch?

Point being...this is a direct reflection of piss poor management (again) from our athletics department. Piss poor. Hey Doc - you need another / more examples, here you go...

Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:33 am

To be determined budget means to be determined projects.

Anyone curios where our strategic plan is heading?

Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:42 am

ragtimejoe1 wrote:To be determined budget means to be determined projects.

Anyone curios where our strategic plan is heading?

There is an oxymoron for you!

Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:43 am

Wicks wrote:Here is the lowdown folks:

There are three main issues why the projects has been delayed.

1. Other on campus projects are over budget mainly the Fine Arts project at the tune of 9m. The AA Plase II was projected to be 3m over budget.

2. With all the development on the front range there are very few contractors available for such work thus their rates have risen.

3. With 1 and 2 in mind the design of the renovations on the OUTSIDE where redesigned to meet a cheaper budget (the inside plans remain the same). The big time donors and the state legislature did not like the altered designs so the project is being delayed so we can get a design the donors and state like that meets

Interesting. Sucks that it is delayed but I would rather take the time and try to secure the extra funding than half ass it. Need to get someone(donor/state)to step up and fund the extra money. For how much they are already planning on spending 3 more million doesn't sound like much more.

Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:10 am

shouldn't surprise anyone, shoulda just scrapped and built a whole new one, might have went faster/better, cheaper...Tom's probably backtracking alot

Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:38 am

stymeman wrote:shouldn't surprise anyone, shoulda just scrapped and built a whole new one, might have went faster/better, cheaper...Tom's probably backtracking alot

Styme - can you imagine what it would cost to build a new one these days?

That is why I always bitch about half-assing anything. Because at some point, it will catch up with you, and bite you right on the ass.

Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:43 am

Because I'm too lazy to go looking for it, anyone know off the top of their head what the total cost was for the recent War renovations, the recent AA renovations, and the planned AA renovations?

Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:59 am

Seems to me this is just a speed bump with the AA, this project will get done because it is a priority for the University and the State.

There is another major project in the pipeline as well with the RAC 2.0 that has been given matching funds by the state and construction could start as early as this Fall if enough money is raised in the summer. So don't take the phase II AA news as the state and university have no vision, the project was priced out in 2010 and 2011 and prices have gone up significantly since then.

The sky is not falling and UW is better off facility wise than most MW schools at this point with the investments being made.