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With fertile recruiting grounds of California, Hawaii, and Las Vegas area why are these teams in the western division so awful


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pokefanchaz7 wrote:With fertile recruiting grounds of California, Hawaii, and Las Vegas area why are these teams in the western division so awful


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Yeah, wondering how bad SJSU is versus how good SDSU's defense is. Really stinks (for the conference) that SDSU has that loss to South Alabama, but at least they beat Cal?

How many people are there rooting on a 5-1 team? Looks bad


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At least , Hawaii, UNLV and Nevada have a decent fan base. SDSU and San Jose are just embarrassing.

SDSU put 20,000 in the stands for the MWC championship game in their own building, with San Diego weather.

It might get worse too, rumors swirling Rocky Long will retire after 2016.

Hawaii and UNLV are making strides. Nevada is running in place. Fresno is horrible, BUT they have talent to work with when they bring in a new staff in 2017. I don't know why SJSU does things.

...but the Mountain Division has no room to talk. Air Force is looking a tad overrated, Utah State is 2-4 this season after going 6-7 in 2015. CSU has fallen from its brief high in 2014. Bob Davie has done a great job at UNM, but they'll always be the Lobos. The conference just isn't very good right now, Bohl and co. are well poised to ascend.

That said, who the f-word really knows? Three years ago, Fresno had the fiercest monster in the conference. Two years ago Colorado State won 10+ games. Didn't take long for it all to unravel. I have a hard to figuring out what will happen this week, let alone 2-3 years from now.

But as of this moment...the MW is

J-Rod wrote:It might get worse too, rumors swirling Rocky Long will retire after 2016.

Hawaii and UNLV are making strides. Nevada is running in place. Fresno is horrible, BUT they have talent to work with when they bring in a new staff in 2017. I don't know why SJSU does things.

...but the Mountain Division has no room to talk. Air Force is looking a tad overrated, Utah State is 2-4 this season after going 6-7 in 2015. CSU has fallen from its brief high in 2014. Bob Davie has done a great job at UNM, but they'll always be the Lobos. The conference just isn't very good right now, Bohl and co. are well poised to ascend.

That said, who the f-word really knows? Three years ago, Fresno had the fiercest monster in the conference. Two years ago Colorado State won 10+ games. Didn't take long for it all to unravel. I have a hard to figuring out what will happen this week, let alone 2-3 years from now.

But as of this moment...the MW is

Air Force beat Navy who beat Houston who beat Oklahoma..and so on and so forth. AFA was undefeated before playing Wyoming. Boise is undefeated. CSU is playing okay..they got blown out by CU, but played Minnesota tough. Their only other loss is to us. And the Pokes are much improved. USU was going to fall off eventually. They had been playing over their heads the past few years.

I'm not saying the mountain division is superior but saying that teams in the mountain division have to recruit players to colder climates, smaller cities etc. you can see why mountain teams have a challenging task . But we are talking about recruiting to the Bay Area, Southern California, Hawaii, and even Fresno. These teams have a built in advantage so it's that much worse.


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pokefanchaz7 wrote:I'm not saying the mountain division is superior but saying that teams in the mountain division have to recruit players to colder climates, smaller cities etc. you can see why mountain teams have a challenging task . But we are talking about recruiting to the Bay Area, Southern California, Hawaii, and even Fresno. These teams have a built in advantage so it's that much worse.


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It is surprising no doubt. Remember when DeRuyter was Chris Petersen 2.0? I'm still trying to grasp what happened to them. They DO have talent. Best WR corps in the MWC. But it's just not happening for reasons I don't understand.

pokefanchaz7 wrote:But we are talking about recruiting to the Bay Area, Southern California, Hawaii, and even Fresno. These teams have a built in advantage so it's that much worse.

They also have much more competition for recruits. Everyone recruits California. And closer to home you still have historic programs that recruits are more drawn to. SJSU is in Stanford's backyard, as an example.

Beyond that, I don't know Fresno's situation, but I'm pretty sure the other three are behind in the facilities arms race. That's huge in this era of college football recruiting.

joshvanklomp wrote: They also have much more competition for recruits. Everyone recruits California. And closer to home you still have historic programs that recruits are more drawn to. SJSU is in Stanford's backyard, as an example.

Beyond that, I don't know Fresno's situation, but I'm pretty sure the other three are behind in the facilities arms race. That's huge in this era of college football recruiting.

Spot on.

http://www.fresnobee.com/sports/college ... 64302.html

I think it boils down to coaching, really. Long is the only coach that you could call decent in that division.

joshvanklomp wrote:

pokefanchaz7 wrote:But we are talking about recruiting to the Bay Area, Southern California, Hawaii, and even Fresno. These teams have a built in advantage so it's that much worse.

They also have much more competition for recruits. Everyone recruits California. And closer to home you still have historic programs that recruits are more drawn to. SJSU is in Stanford's backyard, as an example.

Beyond that, I don't know Fresno's situation, but I'm pretty sure the other three are behind in the facilities arms race. That's huge in this era of college football recruiting.

Fresno was normally a solid program. But Pat Hill (their last HC) had one losing season, and got canned. In came Tim DeRuyter, who was known for defenses at Air Force and Texas A&M, and he rode Hill's recruits hard to two conference titles.

How do I know it was Hill's players and not his own? Because none of DeRuyter's players did a whole lot, and it was mostly Hill's. Since Carr left, Fresno has basically slid right off the cliff to join SJSU.