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WyoBrandX wrote:

calpoke25 wrote:I think it's actually pretty obvious he was jumping on his teammates back to celebrate the play, his teammate moved in the meantime and he was falling and bracing himself. His teammate is trying to catch him you can see. That being said I still think it warranted a penalty but this talk of criminal battery is absurd.

I agree.

Criminal battery is absurd in a football game unless a player starts beating up a ref or a fan.

I saw it from the stadium and thought it was a cheap shot as well. After rewatching it, I have no idea. Something should have probably been called.

It was a close game. We could have won that game on any number of merits. Officiating wasn't one of them.

People used to say the same thing about hockey and basketball. Participation in a game doesn't suspend the rule of law. It would be like saying that if a player somehow brought a gun onto the field and opened fire at the opposition, then it wouldn't be the same as if they weren't playing a game. Running across a field after a play is over and whistled dead and delivering a sucker punch is just as criminal as if it occurred in a parking lot.

Charpy wrote:I was watching the original broadcast and didn't see anything dirty. The following day, I saw this video on the Facebook feed and wondered how I could possibly have missed that. I found out it was because somebody took the time to edit the video. Click bait. I went back and watched the replay from the ESPN3 app. At 1 hr and 48 minutes into it, you can see the play. The guy jumped up, lost his balance, landed on Josh's ankle and caught himself with an open hand on Josh's thigh. It was certainly unnecessary and probably deserved a flag but editing the video to make it look dirty is much worse IMO.

Sounds very apocryphal...

Wyovanian wrote:

WyoBrandX wrote:

calpoke25 wrote:I think it's actually pretty obvious he was jumping on his teammates back to celebrate the play, his teammate moved in the meantime and he was falling and bracing himself. His teammate is trying to catch him you can see. That being said I still think it warranted a penalty but this talk of criminal battery is absurd.

I agree.

Criminal battery is absurd in a football game unless a player starts beating up a ref or a fan.

I saw it from the stadium and thought it was a cheap shot as well. After rewatching it, I have no idea. Something should have probably been called.

It was a close game. We could have won that game on any number of merits. Officiating wasn't one of them.

People used to say the same thing about hockey and basketball. Participation in a game doesn't suspend the rule of law. It would be like saying that if a player somehow brought a gun onto the field and opened fire at the opposition, then it wouldn't be the same as if they weren't playing a game. Running across a field after a play is over and whistled dead and delivering a sucker punch is just as criminal as if it occurred in a parking lot.

There is a huge difference between playing in a game where rules are defined and the rule of law. Taking a gun, knife, or any other weapon for that matter anywhere to cause harm upon a person is criminal (unless there are some legal gun/knife fighting sports that I'm not aware of somewhere).

Hockey is much different than football. Football is much different than boxing. Fighting on the street is much different than fighting in a sport. If it wasn't, football as well as many contact sports would have many arrests during each game. Most contact sports would be illegal.

WyoBrandX wrote:

Wyovanian wrote:

WyoBrandX wrote:

calpoke25 wrote:I think it's actually pretty obvious he was jumping on his teammates back to celebrate the play, his teammate moved in the meantime and he was falling and bracing himself. His teammate is trying to catch him you can see. That being said I still think it warranted a penalty but this talk of criminal battery is absurd.

I agree.

Criminal battery is absurd in a football game unless a player starts beating up a ref or a fan.

I saw it from the stadium and thought it was a cheap shot as well. After rewatching it, I have no idea. Something should have probably been called.

It was a close game. We could have won that game on any number of merits. Officiating wasn't one of them.

People used to say the same thing about hockey and basketball. Participation in a game doesn't suspend the rule of law. It would be like saying that if a player somehow brought a gun onto the field and opened fire at the opposition, then it wouldn't be the same as if they weren't playing a game. Running across a field after a play is over and whistled dead and delivering a sucker punch is just as criminal as if it occurred in a parking lot.

There is a huge difference between playing in a game where rules are defined and the rule of law. Taking a gun, knife, or any other weapon for that matter anywhere to cause harm upon a person is criminal (unless there are some legal gun/knife fighting sports that I'm not aware of somewhere).

Hockey is much different than football. Football is much different than boxing. Fighting on the street is much different than fighting in a sport. If it wasn't, football as well as many contact sports would have many arrests during each game. Most contact sports would be illegal.

Hockey has as much or possibly more contact than football, and basketball has less, but incidents in both sports have resulted in criminal charges against players who engaged in contact that fell beyond the boundaries that are both explicit and implicit in the rules of the respective games.

We have penalties in football for certain forms of excessive roughness, such as horse collars, targeting, etc. that generally happen in the course of play. A player, however, who was nowhere near the end of a play who deliberately walks yards across the field of play after it is blown dead and delivers a blow to another player who is not in much of a position to defend himself or flee is not exceeding the threshold of roughness the rules allow, rather, that player is committing an assault and possible battery on a participant when no rule-defined action is occurring, therefore the player's actions are not protected as game activity.

Wyovanian wrote:

Charpy wrote:I was watching the original broadcast and didn't see anything dirty. The following day, I saw this video on the Facebook feed and wondered how I could possibly have missed that. I found out it was because somebody took the time to edit the video. Click bait. I went back and watched the replay from the ESPN3 app. At 1 hr and 48 minutes into it, you can see the play. The guy jumped up, lost his balance, landed on Josh's ankle and caught himself with an open hand on Josh's thigh. It was certainly unnecessary and probably deserved a flag but editing the video to make it look dirty is much worse IMO.

Sounds very apocryphal...

well poop would have worked just as well......but i like your version.....sounds fancy


but yeah....i have the game sitting on my dvr and it looks just the same as this....nobody anywhere near josh's ankle


"found out someone edited the video" with no explanation of where this magical info came from or a link to where to find it......also the video was shot by someone holding their phone up to the screen.....you're talking some pretty serious professional level editing, and to what gain? to make a player look bad? if the league were to investigate it i assure you they would use the plethora of camera angles available thanks to espn as opposed to judging by some random vine users cell phone video

whyoh wrote:but yeah....i have the game sitting on my dvr and it looks just the same as this....nobody anywhere near josh's ankle

Nobody near his ankle? How do you think Allen got on the ground in the first place? You think he voluntarily downed the ball at the 5-yard line?

59 sacked him. He stood up. As he stood up, 95 jumped on his back, falling over 59 and into Allen. Pay close enough attention and you'll see the ankles/feet were contacted before the open hand on Allen's lower thigh.

https://sportslaw.uslegal.com/sports-crimes/


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joshvanklomp wrote:

whyoh wrote:but yeah....i have the game sitting on my dvr and it looks just the same as this....nobody anywhere near josh's ankle

Nobody near his ankle? How do you think Allen got on the ground in the first place? You think he voluntarily downed the ball at the 5-yard line?

59 sacked him. He stood up. As he stood up, 95 jumped on his back, falling over 59 and into Allen. Pay close enough attention and you'll see the ankles/feet were contacted before the open hand on Allen's lower thigh.

alright i guess if you stretch my definition of the word "near" it's pretty easy to make me sound like a wacko

but you can clearly see that 59 is standing south of josh and 95's feet land behind his

that's what i see every time....i'll check the slo mo on the dvr when i get home tonight

Wyovanian wrote:

WyoBrandX wrote:

Wyovanian wrote:

WyoBrandX wrote:

calpoke25 wrote:I think it's actually pretty obvious he was jumping on his teammates back to celebrate the play, his teammate moved in the meantime and he was falling and bracing himself. His teammate is trying to catch him you can see. That being said I still think it warranted a penalty but this talk of criminal battery is absurd.

I agree.

Criminal battery is absurd in a football game unless a player starts beating up a ref or a fan.

I saw it from the stadium and thought it was a cheap shot as well. After rewatching it, I have no idea. Something should have probably been called.

It was a close game. We could have won that game on any number of merits. Officiating wasn't one of them.

People used to say the same thing about hockey and basketball. Participation in a game doesn't suspend the rule of law. It would be like saying that if a player somehow brought a gun onto the field and opened fire at the opposition, then it wouldn't be the same as if they weren't playing a game. Running across a field after a play is over and whistled dead and delivering a sucker punch is just as criminal as if it occurred in a parking lot.

There is a huge difference between playing in a game where rules are defined and the rule of law. Taking a gun, knife, or any other weapon for that matter anywhere to cause harm upon a person is criminal (unless there are some legal gun/knife fighting sports that I'm not aware of somewhere).

Hockey is much different than football. Football is much different than boxing. Fighting on the street is much different than fighting in a sport. If it wasn't, football as well as many contact sports would have many arrests during each game. Most contact sports would be illegal.

Hockey has as much or possibly more contact than football, and basketball has less, but incidents in both sports have resulted in criminal charges against players who engaged in contact that fell beyond the boundaries that are both explicit and implicit in the rules of the respective games.

We have penalties in football for certain forms of excessive roughness, such as horse collars, targeting, etc. that generally happen in the course of play. A player, however, who was nowhere near the end of a play who deliberately walks yards across the field of play after it is blown dead and delivers a blow to another player who is not in much of a position to defend himself or flee is not exceeding the threshold of roughness the rules allow, rather, that player is committing an assault and possible battery on a participant when no rule-defined action is occurring, therefore the player's actions are not protected as game activity.

Do you have some references to the legal boundaries of sports vs legal issues in College Football? I would be interested in reading more on it.

WyoBrandX wrote:

Wyovanian wrote:

WyoBrandX wrote:

Wyovanian wrote:

WyoBrandX wrote:

calpoke25 wrote:I think it's actually pretty obvious he was jumping on his teammates back to celebrate the play, his teammate moved in the meantime and he was falling and bracing himself. His teammate is trying to catch him you can see. That being said I still think it warranted a penalty but this talk of criminal battery is absurd.

I agree.

Criminal battery is absurd in a football game unless a player starts beating up a ref or a fan.

I saw it from the stadium and thought it was a cheap shot as well. After rewatching it, I have no idea. Something should have probably been called.

It was a close game. We could have won that game on any number of merits. Officiating wasn't one of them.

People used to say the same thing about hockey and basketball. Participation in a game doesn't suspend the rule of law. It would be like saying that if a player somehow brought a gun onto the field and opened fire at the opposition, then it wouldn't be the same as if they weren't playing a game. Running across a field after a play is over and whistled dead and delivering a sucker punch is just as criminal as if it occurred in a parking lot.

There is a huge difference between playing in a game where rules are defined and the rule of law. Taking a gun, knife, or any other weapon for that matter anywhere to cause harm upon a person is criminal (unless there are some legal gun/knife fighting sports that I'm not aware of somewhere).

Hockey is much different than football. Football is much different than boxing. Fighting on the street is much different than fighting in a sport. If it wasn't, football as well as many contact sports would have many arrests during each game. Most contact sports would be illegal.

Hockey has as much or possibly more contact than football, and basketball has less, but incidents in both sports have resulted in criminal charges against players who engaged in contact that fell beyond the boundaries that are both explicit and implicit in the rules of the respective games.

We have penalties in football for certain forms of excessive roughness, such as horse collars, targeting, etc. that generally happen in the course of play. A player, however, who was nowhere near the end of a play who deliberately walks yards across the field of play after it is blown dead and delivers a blow to another player who is not in much of a position to defend himself or flee is not exceeding the threshold of roughness the rules allow, rather, that player is committing an assault and possible battery on a participant when no rule-defined action is occurring, therefore the player's actions are not protected as game activity.

Do you have some references to the legal boundaries of sports vs legal issues in College Football? I would be interested in reading more on it.

https://sportslaw.uslegal.com/sports-crimes/


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I find it interesting that his teammate, No. 41, immediately started pushing the punching goon out of the area and towards the bench. It tells me that the Mike Tyson wannabe was still jabbering and/or No. 41 knew that they were lucky to avoid a flag and wanted to get to the next play.

Beyond the nut punch, my friends on the West side of the stadium said that the SDSU players were beyond appalling after the final whistle. I know they are just kids - but my buddy who was on the 35 yard line about 14 rows up said the foul language, middle fingers, crotch grabbing and other fine displays were enough to make a hardened sailor blush. He is no prude - far from it - and said he was disgusted. I have no doubt that the WYO faithful had probably tuned them up during the game with some nastiness of their own, but, by the sounds of things, the response was disproportionately ugly - especially with kids in the stands.

I will only say that I am glad that Bohl is leading our team and that I will be cheering loudly for Houston.

LawPoke wrote:Beyond the nut punch, my friends on the West side of the stadium said that the SDSU players were beyond appalling after the final whistle.

This is absolutely true. We sat about the 30 yard line, 22 rows up and saw it all. There was jawing going on all game between their players and our fans, which I can forgive. But as soon as Josh was down on that last sack, their players started jumping up on the bench holding both fingers up, grabbing crotches, etc. At least a dozen players involved. I couldn't hear what they were saying, but they were clearly offering up some choice words as well. I wish I'd been faster with my phone so I could have recorded it. I'd honestly send it to SDSU athletic dept, the conference, and Rocky Long personally.

And the few SDSU fans that showed up were no better as we exited.

Stay classy San Diego.

GO POKES!

wellpoke wrote:
Stay classy San Diego.

LawPoke wrote:Beyond the nut punch, my friends on the West side of the stadium said that the SDSU players were beyond appalling after the final whistle.

Yup, I saw it too! Classless to a T!

wellpoke wrote:

LawPoke wrote:Beyond the nut punch, my friends on the West side of the stadium said that the SDSU players were beyond appalling after the final whistle.

This is absolutely true. We sat about the 30 yard line, 22 rows up and saw it all. There was jawing going on all game between their players and our fans, which I can forgive. But as soon as Josh was down on that last sack, their players started jumping up on the bench holding both fingers up, grabbing crotches, etc. At least a dozen players involved. I couldn't hear what they were saying, but they were clearly offering up some choice words as well. I wish I'd been faster with my phone so I could have recorded it. I'd honestly send it to SDSU athletic dept, the conference, and Rocky Long personally.

And the few SDSU fans that showed up were no better as we exited.

Stay classy San Diego.

GO POKES!

Saw the same stuff. At one point the event staff in the yellow jackets and some conference personnel had to restrain the SDSU players as they were about to jump into the stands and start a fight. Really classy.

I really wish we would have left them in the big east/aac.