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Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:24 pm
by ragtimejoe1
You have the core of osu and wsu who want no association with any g5. They are hoping to gain a windfall of money (and not the liability) of pac assets.
Then you have the core of bsu, csu, fsu, and probably usu who don't want to associate with anyone in the mwc. They are hoping to latch onto anything so they feel like they can look down their noses at everyone else in the g5 ranks.
Since all of this is based mostly on delusion, I'm guessing it will take a while.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:53 pm
by LanderPoke
I don’t even want Washington state or Oregon state. They think they are better than us and would be resentful. They would constantly be looking to break up the conference . Pass. Not good for wyoming
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:33 pm
by sandiegopoke
LanderPoke wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:53 pm
I don’t even want Washington state or Oregon state. They think they are better than us and would be resentful. They would constantly be looking to break up the conference . Pass. Not good for wyoming
I freely admit the only reason I'd like them is the potential for a better media deal, but who knows?
I'd also love to make trips to see us play at their places. OSU is a little easier for me than Pullman, but it would be fun nonetheless.
I still need to visit Boise one day. I have friends that live in the area.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:17 pm
by ragtimejoe1
LanderPoke wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:53 pm
I don’t even want Washington state or Oregon state. They think they are better than us and would be resentful. They would constantly be looking to break up the conference . Pass. Not good for wyoming
They'll be as bad or worse than byu...especially at first.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:23 pm
by Itsux2beaewe
ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:17 pm
LanderPoke wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:53 pm
I don’t even want Washington state or Oregon state. They think they are better than us and would be resentful. They would constantly be looking to break up the conference . Pass. Not good for wyoming
They'll be as bad or worse than byu...especially at first.
The alternative is the Pac2 raiding enough MW schools to avoid paying exit fees. Not sure how UW figures into the equation.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:35 am
by ragtimejoe1
Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:23 pm
ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:17 pm
They'll be as bad or worse than byu...especially at first.
The alternative is the Pac2 raiding enough MW schools to avoid paying exit fees. Not sure how UW figures into the equation.
I don't think that works but I could see them going pac2 for a year then raiding the mwc for 0 exit (or whatever the reduced ratec is). I thought that was a long shot but now I'm starting to wonder. One word: control. If they are awarded pac assets and have few liabilities, they might use the pac2 approach to maintain control of the situation.
The 72 mill liability to Comcast will impact things.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:50 am
by sandiegopoke
Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:23 pm
The alternative is the Pac2 raiding enough MW schools to avoid paying exit fees. Not sure how UW figures into the equation.
The "market kings" are all convinced Wyoming brings nothing. I suspect the quality of the program and the assets of the University (we're the largest foundation and the largest booster club in the MWC, IIRC) mean that we have nothing to worry about.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:35 pm
by ragtimejoe1
https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... ce-in-2024
If true and huge if, it's the beginning of the end for the MWC. I wonder where we end up.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:47 pm
by Itsux2beaewe
A lot depends on MW exit fees, doesn’t it?
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:57 pm
by ragtimejoe1
Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:47 pm
A lot depends on MW exit fees, doesn’t it?
With notice, they'll be 17 mill. It's a lot but not insurmountable. Take 2 and the rest will sell their left leg to avoid a sinking mwc ship.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:30 am
by WYO1016
The only thing this is doing is making sure Oregon State and Washington State have a plan for next year. They're going through a court battle right now that will take some time. Make no mistake, they will be in the same conference as Wyoming very soon. Whether that conference is called the MWC or PAC-xx depends on the decision of the courts.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:36 am
by LanderPoke
I just hope we don’t get boned. There should be some sort of guarantee that all MWC schools will join OSU and WSU if we are going to help them out
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:50 am
by OrediggerPoke
LanderPoke wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:36 am
I just hope we don’t get boned. There should be some sort of guarantee that all MWC schools will join OSU and WSU if we are going to help them out
I agree. I would be very suspicious of a plan to prop up WSU and OSU so that those schools can realize the benefits of the Pac12 assets, and, then later turn around and create a conference that kicks schools like Wyoming to the curb.
To me - the time to strike while the iron is hot is right now. If the MWC doesn't cave in and provide a scheduling arrangement, WSU and OSU will be forced to join the conference on the same footing as every other member (no way could they lure enough MWC schools to leave give the current exit fees).
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:33 am
by ragtimejoe1
WYO1016 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:30 am
The only thing this is doing is making sure Oregon State and Washington State have a plan for next year. They're going through a court battle right now that will take some time. Make no mistake, they will be in the same conference as Wyoming very soon. Whether that conference is called the MWC or PAC-xx depends on the decision of the courts.
I hope you're right. I'm betting there are closed door discussions with 2 to 4 MWC schools with the plan of inviting 2 to 4 schools. The MWC TV runs through 2026.
If they pull bsu, suds, and/or fresno with subsidized exit fees in 2025 by inviting as soon as scheduling agreements are in place, it pulls the legs out from under the MWC TV negotiations which would take place in 2025 to get a deal in place for the expiring 2026 contract.
Once that happens, any MWC team will gladly pay exit fees to join the PAC. The end game is a pick and choose who enters the PAC. Will we be 1? I don't know.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:37 am
by ragtimejoe1
OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:50 am
LanderPoke wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:36 am
I just hope we don’t get boned. There should be some sort of guarantee that all MWC schools will join OSU and WSU if we are going to help them out
I agree. I would be very suspicious of a plan to prop up WSU and OSU so that those schools can realize the benefits of the Pac12 assets, and, then later turn around and create a conference that kicks schools like Wyoming to the curb.
To me - the time to strike while the iron is hot is right now. If the MWC doesn't cave in and provide a scheduling arrangement, WSU and OSU will be forced to join the conference on the same footing as every other member (no way could they lure enough MWC schools to leave give the current exit fees).
I get the feeling there are conflicting motives in the MWC. There won't be enough votes to reduce or eliminate buyouts but there also won't be enough votes to have a united front.
I expect there are more than a few MWC programs that desire a "selective" PAC expansion.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:10 pm
by doreno5
ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:37 am
OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:50 am
I agree. I would be very suspicious of a plan to prop up WSU and OSU so that those schools can realize the benefits of the Pac12 assets, and, then later turn around and create a conference that kicks schools like Wyoming to the curb.
To me - the time to strike while the iron is hot is right now. If the MWC doesn't cave in and provide a scheduling arrangement, WSU and OSU will be forced to join the conference on the same footing as every other member (no way could they lure enough MWC schools to leave give the current exit fees).
I get the feeling there are conflicting motives in the MWC. There won't be enough votes to reduce or eliminate buyouts but there also won't be enough votes to have a united front.
I expect there are more than a few MWC programs that desire a "selective" PAC expansion.
The long the court battle wages , the more likely nothing will be decided until the end of the year at earliest.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:59 pm
by Itsux2beaewe
Army to the AAC. Could AF be next? It would put all the military service academies in the same conference.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... 24-season/
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:56 am
by WYO1016
No. Never gonna happen. Why? The US military is acutely aware of how geography works. West Point and Annapolis are 260 miles apart. Colorado Springs and Annapolis are roughly 1700 miles apart. Football is not the only sport that is played. You also have to account for:
baseball
men's and women's basketball
men's and women's boxing
men's and women's cross country
men's and women's fencing
golf
men's and women's gymnastics
ice hockey
lacrosse
men's and women's rifle
men's and women's soccer
men's and women's swimming and diving
men's and women's tennis
men's and women's track and field
wrestling
volleyball
spirit.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:17 am
by sandiegopoke
Air Force has previously thrown dirt on this speculation.
Re: Conference musical chairs
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:19 pm
by OrediggerPoke
WYO1016 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:56 am
No. Never gonna happen. Why? The US military is acutely aware of how geography works. West Point and Annapolis are 260 miles apart. Colorado Springs and Annapolis are roughly 1700 miles apart. Football is not the only sport that is played. You also have to account for:
baseball
men's and women's basketball
men's and women's boxing
men's and women's cross country
men's and women's fencing
golf
men's and women's gymnastics
ice hockey
lacrosse
men's and women's rifle
men's and women's soccer
men's and women's swimming and diving
men's and women's tennis
men's and women's track and field
wrestling
volleyball
spirit.
Keep in mind that Army is joining football only.
Air Force would likely have an option of the Missouri Valley conference to park its Olympic sports if it chose to join the American for football. Air Force will be Big 12 in wrestling regardless of any moves. I don’t think AF will leave the MWC, but its Olympics are probably a better competitive fit in the Missouri Valley.