Citation for this purported statistic?
While certainly not true, I fail to see the relevance unless you start with the belief that college students are incapable of forming their own beliefs.
Citation for this purported statistic?
OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:56 amCitation for this purported statistic?
While certainly not true, I fail to see the relevance unless you start with the belief that college students are incapable of forming their own beliefs.
laxwyo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:50 pm https://www.kpcnews.com/opinions/articl ... 24e27.html
There was literally so many articles, it was difficult to choose. Article states it was only 4:1 not that long ago and now it’s only 17:1. And if something is wrong with that source, there’s tons more:
You need to pay attention more. Using words like “certainly” when you are far from certain is a really bad look.
Imagine thinking college students can form their own beliefs when they’re a captured audience and only exposed to one viewpoint over and over. I certainly see my daughter change her opinion when other evidence is presented. That’s not happening on campus. You’re naive to believe so.
I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to free speech legislation for the university but much like a scotus decision, the law isn’t worth the paper it’s written on if there’s not much of an enforcement mechanism.
9 to 1, not using common core or liberal logic, that seems to equate to 90%. Factoring in those that didn’t want to identify as a liberal (I’ve found many aren’t proud to admit it publicly).OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:56 amCitation for this purported statistic?
While certainly not true, I fail to see the relevance unless you start with the belief that college students are incapable of forming their own beliefs.
It doesn’t equate to 90% because that finding makes an incorrect presumption that every professor is either a Republican or Democrat (and nothing else). This is the same narrative that the media likes to spin for ratings (you are either this or that and there is no room for compromise or a sliding scale of views).Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:04 am9 to 1, not using common core or liberal logic, that seems to equate to 90%. Factoring in those that didn’t want to identify as a liberal (I’ve found many aren’t proud to admit it publicly).OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:56 am
Citation for this purported statistic?
While certainly not true, I fail to see the relevance unless you start with the belief that college students are incapable of forming their own beliefs.
Not far off.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/democrati ... -new-data/
I didn’t see an incorrect assumption. They conducted a study and it was 90%. You added the assumption.OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:29 pmIt doesn’t equate to 90% because that finding makes an incorrect presumption that every professor is either a Republican or Democrat (and nothing else). This is the same narrative that the media likes to spin for ratings (you are either this or that and there is no room for compromise or a sliding scale of views).Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:04 am
9 to 1, not using common core or liberal logic, that seems to equate to 90%. Factoring in those that didn’t want to identify as a liberal (I’ve found many aren’t proud to admit it publicly).
Not far off.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/democrati ... -new-data/
Your article points out that the research (I didn’t check the source) shows among professors:
48.4 percent registered democrats
5.7 percent registered republicans
This only accounts for 54 percent. The other 46 percent likely fall in a wide spectrum of beliefs. There are some that are so far left that they couldn’t be considered democrats or even representative of basic accepted American ideals generally. And there are some that are so far gone that they could be the second coming of hitler if given the chance.
But, for the remaining 30-40 percent, a spectrum of more moderate views may exist. Does this remaining percentage overall lean more to the left than the population in general, yes likely from a statistical point of view. But there’s bound to be a portion of this group that would be considered generally conservative.
But the point is - there is certainly a mix of views in higher education. But ultimately it shouldn’t matter because college students are capable of independent thought and free speech rights should always provide a forum for differing views to be presented.
No. This study does not state nor purport to state that 90% of faculty members are democrats.Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:35 pmI didn’t see an incorrect assumption. They conducted a study and it was 90%. You added the assumption.OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:29 pm
It doesn’t equate to 90% because that finding makes an incorrect presumption that every professor is either a Republican or Democrat (and nothing else). This is the same narrative that the media likes to spin for ratings (you are either this or that and there is no room for compromise or a sliding scale of views).
Your article points out that the research (I didn’t check the source) shows among professors:
48.4 percent registered democrats
5.7 percent registered republicans
This only accounts for 54 percent. The other 46 percent likely fall in a wide spectrum of beliefs. There are some that are so far left that they couldn’t be considered democrats or even representative of basic accepted American ideals generally. And there are some that are so far gone that they could be the second coming of hitler if given the chance.
But, for the remaining 30-40 percent, a spectrum of more moderate views may exist. Does this remaining percentage overall lean more to the left than the population in general, yes likely from a statistical point of view. But there’s bound to be a portion of this group that would be considered generally conservative.
But the point is - there is certainly a mix of views in higher education. But ultimately it shouldn’t matter because college students are capable of independent thought and free speech rights should always provide a forum for differing views to be presented.
Hmmm, very odd. Are you using common core math?OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:17 pmNo. This study does not state nor purport to state that 90% of faculty members are democrats.Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:35 pm
I didn’t see an incorrect assumption. They conducted a study and it was 90%. You added the assumption.
While not a Wyoming undergraduate education, I am using statistical math I learned way back at the little old Colorado School of Mines. The words ‘common core’ never appeared in my education that included 3 semesters of calculus, 2 semesters of statistics, 2 semesters of differential equations, 1 semester of laplace and Fourier transforms, and 1 god awful semester of trying to understand partial differential equations and the Schrödinger equation.Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:39 pmHmmm, very odd. Are you using common core math?OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:17 pm
No. This study does not state nor purport to state that 90% of faculty members are democrats.
The article states; Democrats outnumber Republicans by a ratio of nearly 9 to 1 among college professors, according to new statistics published by Brooklyn College Associate Professor of Business Management Mitchell Langbert and Heterodox Academy Director of Research Sean Stevens.
Good ole statistics. Add enough assumptions, a lil here a lil there and voila - "YOU CAN MAKE THE DATA SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO."OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:29 pmWhile not a Wyoming undergraduate education, I am using statistical math I learned way back at the little old Colorado School of Mines. The words ‘common core’ never appeared in my education that included 3 semesters of calculus, 2 semesters of statistics, 2 semesters of differential equations, 1 semester of laplace and Fourier transforms, and 1 god awful semester of trying to understand partial differential equations and the Schrödinger equation.Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:39 pm
Hmmm, very odd. Are you using common core math?
The article states; Democrats outnumber Republicans by a ratio of nearly 9 to 1 among college professors, according to new statistics published by Brooklyn College Associate Professor of Business Management Mitchell Langbert and Heterodox Academy Director of Research Sean Stevens.
You are looking at a ratio of 9:1. It is a comparison of 2 things (registered republicans amongst polledfaculty members to registered democrats amongst polled faculty members). In order for the ratio comparison to correlate to a percentage of the whole (ie 90%), the entire sample would have needed to have been either registered democrats or registered republicans. This we know this isn’t the case because only 54.1% of the polled sample was either a registered republican or a registered democrat. To extend an assumption pass the 54.1%, you would have to presume the remaining 45.9% has to be either a democrat or republican (which we know not to be true becuase there are many neithers).
Hopefully the explanation is helpful. In all honesty, statistics was my favorite class in undergraduate.
No. Math is great. It is either objectively right or wrong.Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:05 pmGood ole statistics. Add enough assumptions, a lil here a lil there and voila - "YOU CAN MAKE THE DATA SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO."OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:29 pm
While not a Wyoming undergraduate education, I am using statistical math I learned way back at the little old Colorado School of Mines. The words ‘common core’ never appeared in my education that included 3 semesters of calculus, 2 semesters of statistics, 2 semesters of differential equations, 1 semester of laplace and Fourier transforms, and 1 god awful semester of trying to understand partial differential equations and the Schrödinger equation.
You are looking at a ratio of 9:1. It is a comparison of 2 things (registered republicans amongst polledfaculty members to registered democrats amongst polled faculty members). In order for the ratio comparison to correlate to a percentage of the whole (ie 90%), the entire sample would have needed to have been either registered democrats or registered republicans. This we know this isn’t the case because only 54.1% of the polled sample was either a registered republican or a registered democrat. To extend an assumption pass the 54.1%, you would have to presume the remaining 45.9% has to be either a democrat or republican (which we know not to be true becuase there are many neithers).
Hopefully the explanation is helpful. In all honesty, statistics was my favorite class in undergraduate.
You don’t like the data. I get it.
The other 46% are actually worse than democrats and openly commie or left of democrats. democrats are still just corporate "friendly ladies" like most republicans.OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:17 pmNo. This study does not state nor purport to state that 90% of faculty members are democrats.Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:35 pm
I didn’t see an incorrect assumption. They conducted a study and it was 90%. You added the assumption.
I don’t use that word. People mean leftist when the say liberal. And yeah, unfortunately 9 out of 10 is a 9:1 ratio which is 88.9 %, but yes, basically 90%sandiegopoke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:57 am Plenty of passion here. Unfortunately, education of topics that are uncomfortable to people resistant to change will always be perceived as "liberal." That word has is roots in liberalism: "A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority."
Wyoming is facing an enrollment issue no doubt. I don’t see how the legislature’s recent moves do anything to assist with that.ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:21 am Flip the conversation. UW receives a greater percentage of its budget from the state than peer institutions (I think). Should WY taxpayers be forced to give UW all that money with no input? Just shut up and give us money. We'll tell you what's good for you. Steep declines in enrollment while spending, what, 440-50k/student/year, maybe indicates there are problems.
Perhaps declining enrollment indicates the university isn't appealing or providing service to WY citizens?
100% speculation but I'm sure there is a "non-university" side to this not necessarily based on far right beliefs.