bladerunnr wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:24 pm
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fromolwyoming wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:43 pm
Brown and Gold wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:28 pm
There wasn't a Wyoming fan alive that thought we'd be 4-0. The most opportunistic ones were 3-1 at best. Yeah....we should have won this game but we are just not that good of a team at least on offense. I have no issue with Chambers trying to win the game there. Tulsa got lucky today. Two major no calls that cost us points plus every little break was there's. We could not get our team in sync....our offense showed up late and our defense broke when it mattered. As bad as we played, we were a yard away from winning and that's not too bad. It hurts but it's a meaningless game when considering that we have conference now. Our coaches deserve to feel the sting of that loss with our poor scheme.
Most had our loss coming against Mizzou though. And yeah, I agree some pretty iffy calling by the refs at bad times, but those alone didn't really doom us to the loss. Stacks of injuries, bad execution on play calls, etc.
When Chambers finally settled down in the 4th quarter, his passing was decent. But he really needs someone that can actually coach QBs to help him with his throwing
, like what Josh finally got when he went to Buffalo.
Sadly I think we are seeing peak or near peak Chambers throwing ability. The key word here is ability
. Every athlete is limited in some way...Throwing passes seems kind of like free-throws. You can coach up to a certain level and beyond that it is more individual ability that is the limiting factor. Some guys just have some innate something that lets them get beyond where everybody else is at. Chambers and Vanderwall also have the dubious distinction of following one of the all time greats at QB at Wyoming. There was almost zero percent chance that the QB following Allen was going to be anywhere close to his level.
Now, Chambers brings some other things to the table, so it's not like he is a bust back there...but it is frustrating to watch sometimes, and having Chambers behind center has also coincided with a group of WR that are not doing him any favors.
Are you a qb coach in a different life? You've determined that a freshman qb has reached his limits? In what way? He can throw it a long way. The throw to Okwalli on 4th down was like threading the needle. He needs to be more consistent - but he's a freshman in an offense that emphasizes running!
You mentioned Josh Allen. Posters on this board were complaining about his accuracy 2 years ago. Let me clue you in - Trevor Lawrence isn't coming here. But the talent is here already - it needs to be coached better. Oh, one last thing - throwing a pass to a moving target with 300 pounders trying to take your head off is not like shooting free throws.
I'm just a college sports junkie and pokes fan like the rest of you (i assume)
I'm sorry that you missed the point so badly. Please refer to the word ability...this is not coachable or teachable. Technique, mechanics, fundamentals ... all coach-able. To use free throws as an example (because it is easy to understand), Reggie Miller has amazing ability as a free-throw shooter while Shaq has below average free throw shooting ability. Shaq could have practiced nothing but free-throws for his entire career and he still would not have sniffed the percentages that Miller was able to generate. This, however, is only one facet of the game of basketball...i'm not claiming Reggie Miller was better than Shaq because he had such amazing ability as a free-throw shooter..just pointing out a fairly large disparity in ability in one facet of the sport.
Now, Chambers has a big arm...that much is obvious. There are certain aspects of throwing a football that you can't "coach" into a guy just like you cant "coach" somebody into being a better free-throw shooter. There is some grey area in certain guys seemingly able to "unlock" an athletes potential, but I don't think there is some untapped reservoir of accuracy in Chambers that is just waiting for the right coach to make it manifest. We are talking about the upper echelon of sports here...do you really think the difference in Alabama football and everyone else is coaching?..that is the biggest laugh I've heard. Saban's a good coach but he's bring guns to a knife fight at least 8 games per season.
The reason I brought up Allen was to point out that there was no way that his replacement was going to be at his level AS A QB
(not just as a passer), and the drop off is pretty hard to swallow. Allen is actually a good example of an "innacurate" good quarterback. The Inverse would be a guy like Kellen Moore....I don't know that you get much more accurate than that guy...he was incredible in college but had holes in his game that made it difficult to succeed at the pro level.
You mentioned Trevor Lawrence...excellent example of crazy level of ability...Dude is a freshman and won a Title because he's a complete stud, not because Dabo molded him into what he is.
Finally ... you are correct in the statement that there are not a lot of things about evading large rushers as a QB that are like free throws. My contention was never that they are the same (or even similar). We are talking about a small part of each sport that is very "ability" driven. That is all...I don't think Chambers has the ABILITY
to be an above average passer...Does not mean he can't have a hell of a career at Wyoming. Just means that I'd bet the house payment that he does it a less conventional way (which a lot of college QB's do btw).