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'PokeForLife wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:37 pm https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/07/i ... _HOMkcjgPA

"... the Centers for Disease Control reported that the death rate has fallen so far it’s now roughly equal to the threshold for even qualifying as an epidemic, which isn’t as severe as a pandemic."
Hah. You might not only not die, but just end up with lungs that can't breath air. Then we, as a society, have to pay for oxygen for you for the next 10-50 years of your life. Or maybe you just drown in your sleep some night when your coughing alot.

Don't get the goddam virus to begin with.
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fromolwyoming wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:57 pm
'PokeForLife wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:37 pm https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/07/i ... _HOMkcjgPA

"... the Centers for Disease Control reported that the death rate has fallen so far it’s now roughly equal to the threshold for even qualifying as an epidemic, which isn’t as severe as a pandemic."
Deaths? Sure. Hospitalizations? Once again, those are skyrocketing, now in other places besides New York. A number of hospitals are already hitting max capacity, and then some, in these areas. And sitting at 130,000+ deaths (and still going up) and nearly 3 million confirmed cases, this is still not something to simply brush off.
No its not.

And it is simple to prevent against.
- Wash your f-word hands
- Put a mask on when your in public
(so far we haven't hurt our economy - and perhaps stimulated it by getting masks)
- Stay away from other people - keep at least 6 feet from everyone.

If everyone one of us did this - we wouldn't be talking about the goddamn virus. You may have the virus and not know it. Put a mask on - problem solved.

Is this 100%? Hell no. Next thing up - everyone dies or we shut down the economy again.

Get off your lazy asses and do something for your country. Put on a goddamn mask. Wash your f-word hands. You lazy bastards!
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@moderators - can you please close/delete this thread.

I only ask as its become weird. I never thought I would interpret capitalism as being greater than life.

Its unfortunate that this thread went this way. However, I do believe that everyone in this post are good people. They are good people. The thread is bad. Please lock it. Or delete it.

Thanks,
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WyoBrandX wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:07 pm
(so far we haven't hurt our economy - and perhaps stimulated it by getting masks)

Ummm, what??!!!! That's actually pretty damn insulting to the millions that lost their jobs and the millions that lost their businesses.

Makes you wonder why mask laws and everything else wasn't enforced for protests and riots? Politicians lost all credibility and are losing lawsuits when they endorsed protests while trying to enforce restrictions on everyone else. Then bogus "studies" claimed protests didn't increase COVID. Essentially, politicians and "experts" are telling everyone how fatal the virus is, how important distancing is, how vital masks are, unless you are protesting. Their credibility is shredded. Remember when they told us masks didn't help unless you were a worker on the front line? Credibility shredded.

Then you ask for the thread to be shut down because viewpoints don't align with your own. Cancel culture raising it's ugly head again.
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:38 am Essentially, politicians and "experts" are telling everyone how fatal the virus is, how important distancing is, how vital masks are, unless you are protesting.
Or attending a political rally. Or going to church. Or returning to in-person school.

Everyone has their vested interest and will find a way to justify why that particular model involving large groups of people in close proximity doesn't require anything special.
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Let's interject a little less emotion and a little more reality. Yes, 4 models for the CDC project that hospitalization rates will increase. 3 models project hospitalizations will remain stable or decline. Hospitalization rates for those 49 and under remain at about 60/100,000 or 0.06%. The worst case group 65+ is about 300/100,000 or about 0.3%. Keep in mind these numbers include those with underlying health conditions which account for roughly 90% + of each of those categories. Percentages of visits for influenza-like or covid-like symptoms to emergency rooms is now less than Dec 2019 levels and about 1% more than fall 2019 levels for covid-like visits. The national percentage of positive cases has increased by a whopping 0.3-0.5%.

How about deaths? Total number of deaths from pneumonia, influenza, OR (big emphasis on OR) COVID-19 deaths for the past 8 weeks are as follows (number designates week in the year):
19--13,817 deaths Covid specifically 10,912
20--11,668 deaths Covid specifically 8,901
21--9,509 deaths Covid specifically 6,885
22--8,207 deaths Covid specifically 5,792
23--6,739 deaths Covid specifically 4,487
24--5,292 deaths Covid specifically 3,480
25--3,390 deaths Covid specifically 2,394
26--1,179 deaths Covid specifically 845

For reference Weeks 40-52 of 2019 had death rates from ballpark of 2,700-3,700. Also remember as stated above, not all CDC projection models predict the same thing. They are just reporting what the majority say. In some cases, like hospitalization rate, the majority is a very thin margin. More people are getting tested leading to more cases, a slightly greater percentage are testing positive, death rates are dropping precipitously, and hospitalization rates are stable with 90%+ coming from those with preexisting medical conditions.

That is reality and readily available from the CDC website. Majority of projections say things are getting worse but a significant number of models (that we don't hear about) predict things improving.
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Just a rumor for now....The Big Ten is planning to scrap OOC games for this year and just play a 10 game conference schedule.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... ports-fall

BTW, I read something on another site that got me to remember...after the Ivy League scrapped it's conference basketball tournament this past spring, all the others started doing the same thing including the NCAA cancelling March Madness. Now that the Ivy League cancelled all Fall sports, I just wonder if the ripple effect will just cancel the entire 2020 season for football for everybody. If so, I'm sad that us hosting Utah first isn't going to happen.
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Liability is driving the bus now.
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:15 pm Liability is driving the bus now.
Yep.

Wonder what the Vegas odds are of there being a 2020 season at all is.
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Wyokie wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:20 pm
ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:15 pm Liability is driving the bus now.
Yep.

Wonder what the Vegas odds are of there being a 2020 season at all is.
There is also the cost of having a season without fans (which may be high), how TV money plays in, etc. Most states and probably most universities are facing severe budget cuts. If that athletic season costs costs lots of money for whatever reason, there may be no choice other than cancelling for the year. I'm sure there are Title IX considerations in that you can't have football but cancel volleyball, basketball, wrestling, or ?? If football supports all the other sports, but isn't going to make the money this year, do you cancel everything for budgetary reasons? I honestly have no idea how all that plays in, but I'm guessing there will be budgetary considerations along with liability considerations for several universities.
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:33 pm Let's interject a little less emotion and a little more reality. Yes, 4 models for the CDC project that hospitalization rates will increase. 3 models project hospitalizations will remain stable or decline. Hospitalization rates for those 49 and under remain at about 60/100,000 or 0.06%. The worst case group 65+ is about 300/100,000 or about 0.3%. Keep in mind these numbers include those with underlying health conditions which account for roughly 90% + of each of those categories. Percentages of visits for influenza-like or covid-like symptoms to emergency rooms is now less than Dec 2019 levels and about 1% more than fall 2019 levels for covid-like visits. The national percentage of positive cases has increased by a whopping 0.3-0.5%.

How about deaths? Total number of deaths from pneumonia, influenza, OR (big emphasis on OR) COVID-19 deaths for the past 8 weeks are as follows (number designates week in the year):
19--13,817 deaths Covid specifically 10,912
20--11,668 deaths Covid specifically 8,901
21--9,509 deaths Covid specifically 6,885
22--8,207 deaths Covid specifically 5,792
23--6,739 deaths Covid specifically 4,487
24--5,292 deaths Covid specifically 3,480
25--3,390 deaths Covid specifically 2,394
26--1,179 deaths Covid specifically 845

For reference Weeks 40-52 of 2019 had death rates from ballpark of 2,700-3,700. Also remember as stated above, not all CDC projection models predict the same thing. They are just reporting what the majority say. In some cases, like hospitalization rate, the majority is a very thin margin. More people are getting tested leading to more cases, a slightly greater percentage are testing positive, death rates are dropping precipitously, and hospitalization rates are stable with 90%+ coming from those with preexisting medical conditions.

That is reality and readily available from the CDC website. Majority of projections say things are getting worse but a significant number of models (that we don't hear about) predict things improving.
Thanks for digging into all that. I do find it interesting that they report this stuff in terms of PIC. We really still have no idea how widespread COVID, such that they report all respiratory illness together in these models (not so different from previous years, but they now added the C to the P and I).
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:15 pm Liability is driving the bus now.
Pretty much this. Lawyers ruining the world, as usual.
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:33 pm Let's interject a little less emotion and a little more reality. Yes, 4 models for the CDC project that hospitalization rates will increase. 3 models project hospitalizations will remain stable or decline. Hospitalization rates for those 49 and under remain at about 60/100,000 or 0.06%. The worst case group 65+ is about 300/100,000 or about 0.3%. Keep in mind these numbers include those with underlying health conditions which account for roughly 90% + of each of those categories. Percentages of visits for influenza-like or covid-like symptoms to emergency rooms is now less than Dec 2019 levels and about 1% more than fall 2019 levels for covid-like visits. The national percentage of positive cases has increased by a whopping 0.3-0.5%.

How about deaths? Total number of deaths from pneumonia, influenza, OR (big emphasis on OR) COVID-19 deaths for the past 8 weeks are as follows (number designates week in the year):
19--13,817 deaths Covid specifically 10,912
20--11,668 deaths Covid specifically 8,901
21--9,509 deaths Covid specifically 6,885
22--8,207 deaths Covid specifically 5,792
23--6,739 deaths Covid specifically 4,487
24--5,292 deaths Covid specifically 3,480
25--3,390 deaths Covid specifically 2,394
26--1,179 deaths Covid specifically 845

For reference Weeks 40-52 of 2019 had death rates from ballpark of 2,700-3,700. Also remember as stated above, not all CDC projection models predict the same thing. They are just reporting what the majority say. In some cases, like hospitalization rate, the majority is a very thin margin. More people are getting tested leading to more cases, a slightly greater percentage are testing positive, death rates are dropping precipitously, and hospitalization rates are stable with 90%+ coming from those with preexisting medical conditions.

That is reality and readily available from the CDC website. Majority of projections say things are getting worse but a significant number of models (that we don't hear about) predict things improving.
Did you just pull this out of the fireplace ashes or what?
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WyoBrandX wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:28 pm
ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:33 pm Let's interject a little less emotion and a little more reality. Yes, 4 models for the CDC project that hospitalization rates will increase. 3 models project hospitalizations will remain stable or decline. Hospitalization rates for those 49 and under remain at about 60/100,000 or 0.06%. The worst case group 65+ is about 300/100,000 or about 0.3%. Keep in mind these numbers include those with underlying health conditions which account for roughly 90% + of each of those categories. Percentages of visits for influenza-like or covid-like symptoms to emergency rooms is now less than Dec 2019 levels and about 1% more than fall 2019 levels for covid-like visits. The national percentage of positive cases has increased by a whopping 0.3-0.5%.

How about deaths? Total number of deaths from pneumonia, influenza, OR (big emphasis on OR) COVID-19 deaths for the past 8 weeks are as follows (number designates week in the year):
19--13,817 deaths Covid specifically 10,912
20--11,668 deaths Covid specifically 8,901
21--9,509 deaths Covid specifically 6,885
22--8,207 deaths Covid specifically 5,792
23--6,739 deaths Covid specifically 4,487
24--5,292 deaths Covid specifically 3,480
25--3,390 deaths Covid specifically 2,394
26--1,179 deaths Covid specifically 845

For reference Weeks 40-52 of 2019 had death rates from ballpark of 2,700-3,700. Also remember as stated above, not all CDC projection models predict the same thing. They are just reporting what the majority say. In some cases, like hospitalization rate, the majority is a very thin margin. More people are getting tested leading to more cases, a slightly greater percentage are testing positive, death rates are dropping precipitously, and hospitalization rates are stable with 90%+ coming from those with preexisting medical conditions.

That is reality and readily available from the CDC website. Majority of projections say things are getting worse but a significant number of models (that we don't hear about) predict things improving.
Did you just pull this out of the fireplace ashes or what?
Avoid media and go to the source. CDC has all that information on the website. The only one I can't remember exactly where it was is the COVID specific deaths; it was somewhere on their site, but more difficult to find than the other data.

The media is spinning, or rather grabbing bits and pieces of summaries and running with them as major headlines.
WYO1016 wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:10 am I'm starting to think that Burman has been laying the pipe to ragtimejoe1's wife
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