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OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:24 am
Well stated.

Those calling for Bohl's firing at this point or for Bohl to somehow shift his offensive philosophy are not being realistic. Bohl ball is what you see and is what we will get. There is no such thing as a Bohl head coach and a different offensive philosophy. Overall, it is hard to get an accurate gauge on the state of the program based on this season that is a fact (who knows where we are without the defensive opt outs and the unfortunate Chambers injury and the crazy schedule that was in constant flux). Next year we should have an opporunity to evaluate the program and see where we are at.

I've said this over and over but there is a huge difference between the program under Bohl and the program under Christensen from a competitive standpoint. I've never seen the players pack in a game under Bohl. They continue to compete and that has been shown in all of the games this year as well. under Christensen (and Glenn at points), there were definitely games where the players just packed it in and went through the motions.

Finally - if Trey Smith doesn't fumble against New Mexico are we really having all of these same discussions? Not pointing the blame on Smith but it goes to show the impact of one perhaps unlucky play. As the old saying goes, you are never as good as you think you are after a win or never as bad as you think you are after a loss.

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:24 am

Those calling for Bohl's firing at this point or for Bohl to somehow shift his offensive philosophy are not being realistic. Bohl ball is what you see and is what we will get. There is no such thing as a Bohl head coach and a different offensive philosophy. Overall, it is hard to get an accurate gauge on the state of the program based on this season that is a fact (who knows where we are without the defensive opt outs and the unfortunate Chambers injury and the crazy schedule that was in constant flux). Next year we should have an opporunity to evaluate the program and see where we are at.

Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:16 pm Yep, once again this is turning into a strawman. Many of us questioning our offensive output is not asking to move to the spread or otherwise. We want some accountability for an offense that's been consistently outside of the top 100. There is no way anybody can convince me we can't be at least top 75 statistically in terms of offense, something which combined with our defensive prowess would lead to a significant improvement in the W-L column.

Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:16 pm Yep, once again this is turning into a strawman. Many of us questioning our offensive output is not asking to move to the spread or otherwise. We want some accountability for an offense that's been consistently outside of the top 100. There is no way anybody can convince me we can't be at least top 75 statistically in terms of offense, something which combined with our defensive prowess would lead to a significant improvement in the W-L column.

LawPoke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:12 pm

Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:16 pm Yep, once again this is turning into a strawman. Many of us questioning our offensive output is not asking to move to the spread or otherwise. We want some accountability for an offense that's been consistently outside of the top 100. There is no way anybody can convince me we can't be at least top 75 statistically in terms of offense, something which combined with our defensive prowess would lead to a significant improvement in the W-L column.

Wasn't there some discussion from Bohl this past offseason that the offense needed to be more productive, he knew the did and would hold folks accountable to gain in that productivity?

Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:16 pm Yep, once again this is turning into a strawman. Many of us questioning our offensive output is not asking to move to the spread or otherwise. We want some accountability for an offense that's been consistently outside of the top 100. There is no way anybody can convince me we can't be at least top 75 statistically in terms of offense, something which combined with our defensive prowess would lead to a significant improvement in the W-L column.

307bball wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:54 pm
What part of the discussion is a strawman? Are you hearing a big uptick in voices promoting a spread offense?...I am not hearing that. I think we are all genuinely grappling with the following dilemma:

1. Should we support the most successful coach at Wyoming this century...despite some seeming obvious shortcomings that he either cannot or will not fix.

2. Thank Bohl for the stability he has brought to the program and point to the obvious shortcomings and politely show him the door.

A lot of you all are trying for a 3rd option that I'm arguing does not exist...That Bohl transforms into something he has never been and will never be....that he will show some flexibility and actually either hire a new OC or go back to the drawing board w/Vigen and craft a more dymanic offensive style. I would bet a lot that this will not happen. Bohl's stubbornness and conviction that he is right is probably a positive in most every aspect except this one. This is year 7....he's not a young guy...He has probably got a list, 100 points long, full of mistakes that his O-line made...and he is convinced that if he can correct those mistakes, the offense will come together. Now, he may be wrong...but that is the guy I think he is.

307bball wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:54 pm

Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:16 pm Yep, once again this is turning into a strawman. Many of us questioning our offensive output is not asking to move to the spread or otherwise. We want some accountability for an offense that's been consistently outside of the top 100. There is no way anybody can convince me we can't be at least top 75 statistically in terms of offense, something which combined with our defensive prowess would lead to a significant improvement in the W-L column.

What part of the discussion is a strawman? Are you hearing a big uptick in voices promoting a spread offense?...I am not hearing that. I think we are all genuinely grappling with the following dilemma:

1. Should we support the most successful coach at Wyoming this century...despite some seeming obvious shortcomings that he either cannot or will not fix.

2. Thank Bohl for the stability he has brought to the program and point to the obvious shortcomings and politely show him the door.

A lot of you all are trying for a 3rd option that I'm arguing does not exist...That Bohl transforms into something he has never been and will never be....that he will show some flexibility and actually either hire a new OC or go back to the drawing board w/Vigen and craft a more dymanic offensive style. I would bet a lot that this will not happen. Bohl's stubbornness and conviction that he is right is probably a positive in most every aspect except this one. This is year 7....he's not a young guy...He has probably got a list, 100 points long, full of mistakes that his O-line made...and he is convinced that if he can correct those mistakes, the offense will come together. Now, he may be wrong...but that is the guy I think he is.

SheepSlayer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:58 pm So why is there a double standard between offense and defense?

SheepSlayer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:58 pm There are people claiming Bohl won’t fire vigen because that’s the offensive system he wants. So why is there a double standard between offense and defense. He fired a DC for poor on field results, I don’t think he did that to fire the “system”. He can do the same on offense by firing the OC but not the system. Keep the system just get someone who knows how to run it.

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:30 pm

SheepSlayer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:58 pm There are people claiming Bohl won’t fire vigen because that’s the offensive system he wants. So why is there a double standard between offense and defense. He fired a DC for poor on field results, I don’t think he did that to fire the “system”. He can do the same on offense by firing the OC but not the system. Keep the system just get someone who knows how to run it.

Yes. This . Well said!

SheepSlayer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:58 pm There are people claiming Bohl won’t fire vigen because that’s the offensive system he wants. So why is there a double standard between offense and defense. He fired a DC for poor on field results, I don’t think he did that to fire the “system”. He can do the same on offense by firing the OC but not the system. Keep the system just get someone who knows how to run it.

seattlecowboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:16 pm Nothing in this whole thread even matters unless Wyoming gets a coach that can coach the QB’s to get better. Bohl and Vigen both make the QB’s worse at throwing the ball.

So either hire a QB coach or a new offensive coordinator that can actually teach how to get better throwing a football or Bohl will be getting his walking papers after next year no matter what.

Doesn’t matter what offense you run or which coach on this staff coaches what position. Nothing matters until they have someone that knows how to coach QB’s. Like I said before, every QB here gets worse at throwing the ball because of the coaching. Levi is far worse now than he was in the first game. It happens every year.

Chambers looked decent throwing it his freshman year when he came in. Then last year before he got hurt he looked like Sh#t throwing the ball also. And on and on and on. Name me a QB that this staff has had here and they got worse, including Josh Allen.

So until that is fixed nothing else matters.

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:07 am What I find interesting is that Bohl wins a couple more games per year than Glenn against VASTLY inferior competition and he's the greatest coach in WYO history. Those few more wins per year are that important. However, the few more wins per year that would require some offensive output have no importance (i.e to get to double digit wins).

307bball wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:18 am 1. Bohl is unwilling to makes changes on offense.
2. Bohl is unable to make changes in offense.