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McPeachy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:08 am

307bball wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 am

Exactly....again...Burman answers to his supervisors...they (University pres, BOT, Legislature) are the problem....not Burman. He is the product of the system. Fire him and get another one and see what happens.

I don't know, and am not privy to their thoughts / meetings / conversations, etc. But, I can see from the outside that the BOT and UW president, are satisfied "just enough" to not rock the boat or make wholesale changes. Hell, it is quite likley that they don't want to deal with change (either). Not everyone is comfortable with change, in fact, one could say the good 'ol boys club hates change...and a large portion of the BOT are just that - good 'ol boys.

McPeachy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:31 am

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:23 am I would have preferred a national search. And I would prefer someone with HC experience at some level. BUT let's give him our support. What else can we do?

Agreed. I would prefer a shot at Jerry Kill or Barry Odom, but hey, maybe Sawvel can pull off something Bohl never did - a MWC Championship? That said, this should be Tom's last hire if it ends up failing. Then again, extend him (Tom) if Sawvel kills it.

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:18 am

McPeachy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:31 am

Agreed. I would prefer a shot at Jerry Kill or Barry Odom, but hey, maybe Sawvel can pull off something Bohl never did - a MWC Championship? That said, this should be Tom's last hire if it ends up failing. Then again, extend him (Tom) if Sawvel kills it.

Is the consensus still that we wish we had Jerry Kill? NMSU was smoked by Fresno (not even a competitive game). Wyoming beat 3 teams that won bowl games yesterday (Fresno, Texas Tech, App State).

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:12 pm

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:18 am

Is the consensus still that we wish we had Jerry Kill? NMSU was smoked by Fresno (not even a competitive game). Wyoming beat 3 teams that won bowl games yesterday (Fresno, Texas Tech, App State).

That’s a pretty damn good season imo

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:39 pm

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:12 pm
That’s a pretty damn good season imo

Lol, I know. Maybe we should compare year 1 and 2 for Kill to year 1 and 2 for Bohl. Let's see how that debate goes.

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:17 pm

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:39 pm

Lol, I know. Maybe we should compare year 1 and 2 for Kill to year 1 and 2 for Bohl. Let's see how that debate goes.

Apples and oranges.

The transfer portal didn’t exist during Bohl’s first two years to clean up the mess of a roster left by DC. Kill loaded up on transfer portal upper classmen.

laxwyo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:50 pm

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:17 pm

Apples and oranges.

The transfer portal didn’t exist during Bohl’s first two years to clean up the mess of a roster left by DC. Kill loaded up on transfer portal upper classmen.

plus, we'd have to see how year 3 and 4 go for Kill. Bohl built it right. Took the time and his lumps and got to the championship. After one bad year of the portal, I think he used it very well. Only a few plays from being in the championship game again with a team of transfers in some of the most important positions.

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:33 am

laxwyo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:50 pm

plus, we'd have to see how year 3 and 4 go for Kill. Bohl built it right. Took the time and his lumps and got to the championship. After one bad year of the portal, I think he used it very well. Only a few plays from being in the championship game again with a team of transfers in some of the most important positions.

Well then, by that logic, anything less than 10 wins, conference runner up, and bowl win should be disappointment for Sawvell.

What was Bohl's record against Fresno? I honestly don't remember.

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:52 am

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:33 am

Well then, by that logic, anything less than 10 wins, conference runner up, and bowl win should be disappointment for Sawvell.

What was Bohl's record against Fresno? I honestly don't remember.

Curious - do you believe Conference USA is as good as the MWC and thus wins should be comparable?Do you believe NMSU’s out of conference losses to the juggernauts known as Hawaii and UMASS should be acceptable? Other than their surprising win over 6-6 Auburn, can you point us to another win that NMSU had which would be considered a good win?

I guess I just really need help understanding why we should be envious of NMSU and Kill.

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:33 am

laxwyo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:50 pm

plus, we'd have to see how year 3 and 4 go for Kill. Bohl built it right. Took the time and his lumps and got to the championship. After one bad year of the portal, I think he used it very well. Only a few plays from being in the championship game again with a team of transfers in some of the most important positions.

Well then, by that logic, anything less than 10 wins, conference runner up, and bowl win should be disappointment for Sawvell.

What was Bohl's record against Fresno? I honestly don't remember.

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:06 am

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:52 am
Curious - do you believe Conference USA is as good as the MWC and thus wins should be comparable?Do you believe NMSU’s out of conference losses to the juggernauts known as Hawaii and UMASS should be acceptable? Other than their surprising win over 6-6 Auburn, can you point us to another win that NMSU had which would be considered a good win?

I guess I just really need help understanding why we should be envious of NMSU and Kill.

You're right. We had a juggernaut schedule with an sos of about 94 compared with 120 something for nmsu.

Envious? I don't know. Kill resume vs Sawvell's? I guess difference in opinion.

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:14 am

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:06 am

You're right. We had a juggernaut schedule with an sos of about 94 compared with 120 something for nmsu.

Envious? I don't know. Kill resume vs Sawvell's? I guess difference in opinion.

Are you cherry picking SOS results?

Almost all the reputable SOS rankings that I’ve seen have Wyoming’s SOS in the 70s and NMSU close to the worst in the entire country. In addition, Wyoming’s SOS will improve after the bowl wins of App State and Texas Tech.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Also - sorry that Wyoming only scheduled Texas Tech, Texas and App State along with the yearly FCS team. I suppose we ought to schedule Michigan, Alabama and Ohio State instead to meet the expectation.

DamThatRiver22 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am Nothing amuses me more than to watch almost the entire board pile on rag as he continues to double down endlessly.

Guess he'll eventually have to resign himself to going back to shouting nonsense into the void in the off-topic forum. Lol.

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:44 am

DamThatRiver22 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am Nothing amuses me more than to watch almost the entire board pile on rag as he continues to double down endlessly.

Guess he'll eventually have to resign himself to going back to shouting nonsense into the void in the off-topic forum. Lol.

Meh, we'll see next year. I've bookmarked this. I'm sure you have too.

307bball wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:10 am

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:44 am

Meh, we'll see next year. I've bookmarked this. I'm sure you have too.

We'll see what?? Who is predicting a good season next year? If Sawvell wins 8+ .... literally all of us will have predicted incorrectly.

I've about exhausted myself trying to coherently discuss our views of Bohl's retirement, Sawvell's hiring, and Burman's role in all of it. A lot of us (myself included) are fine with the hire...A lot of us (myself included) don't feel too optimistic and would have liked to see a different outcome. It is you who is heck-bent on drawing some inane line to divide people. If it turns out that Sawvell is a good hire and he has, at minimum, Bohl level of success...who is beating their chest about predicting that?? If he goes down spectacularly and takes the Burman administration down with him, Is that some sort of victory for you? All this forum-flexing talk about receipts and bookmarks is laughable when there is real disagreement, but it borders on pathological when there is not even a disagreement to be had.

As far as I can tell...the only thing I disagree with you on is the reason that Wyoming football has struggled. Even that is probably a disagreement in degree. From your perspective, what is it that you think next years results will reveal that will prove anything?

307bball wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:10 am

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:44 am

Meh, we'll see next year. I've bookmarked this. I'm sure you have too.

We'll see what?? Who is predicting a good season next year? If Sawvell wins 8+ .... literally all of us will have predicted incorrectly.

I've about exhausted myself trying to coherently discuss our views of Bohl's retirement, Sawvell's hiring, and Burman's role in all of it. A lot of us (myself included) are fine with the hire...A lot of us (myself included) don't feel too optimistic and would have liked to see a different outcome. It is you who is heck-bent on drawing some inane line to divide people. If it turns out that Sawvell is a good hire and he has, at minimum, Bohl level of success...who is beating their chest about predicting that?? If he goes down spectacularly and takes the Burman administration down with him, Is that some sort of victory for you? All this forum-flexing talk about receipts and bookmarks is laughable when there is real disagreement, but it borders on pathological when there is not even a disagreement to be had.

As far as I can tell...the only thing I disagree with you on is the reason that Wyoming football has struggled. Even that is probably a disagreement in degree. From your perspective, what is it that you think next years results will reveal that will prove anything?

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:36 pm
Who said you?

I'm sure if the wheels fall off, you're right. If it's a successful season, then you're wrong.

Me? I called it like I see it. A b.s. hiring process.

Of course I hope the fanboys can give it to me next year. Make no mistake, they will if the opportunity presents itself.

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:00 pm

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:36 pm
Who said you?

I'm sure if the wheels fall off, you're right. If it's a successful season, then you're wrong.

Me? I called it like I see it. A b.s. hiring process.

Of course I hope the fanboys can give it to me next year. Make no mistake, they will if the opportunity presents itself.

This repeated argument makes me laugh. Literally not a single person I’ve seen has predicted 10 win seasons or conference championships.

The whole point is that no hiring process nor new coach is going to transform Wyoming football into a top 25 team in the new NIL and transfer portal environment where Wyoming lags far far behind.

So ‘take your receipts’ as you put it but your whole exercise is beyond silly IMO.