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Public Speaking - Does Not Make a Good Head Football Coach?

ragtimejoe1 said:
Likely splitting hairs between the 2. Tiller was.56 winning and .53 in conference. Bohl was about .500 overall but had a losing record in conference. Bowl games aren't comparable because of the era Tiller was in. Still the only team to finished ranked and not make a bowl.

I probably give the nod to Tiller for the better conference record

Side note: Northern Iowa on the schedule this year. Anyone remember that scare during Tiller's Copper Bowl year (93)?
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The thing that sticks in my craw is how the fans failed to embrace Tiller. His wife even called us "doubting Thomases." Then Lee Moon decided he wanted his own man. Tiller gladly got kicked upstairs with a nice pay increase. I knew Tiller and gave him a silver dollar and told him I hoped he would carry it during boilermakers. I don't know if he did, but he did ok.
 
McPeachy said:
Sorry to bitch, but man, Sawful simply cannot speak publicly for shit. Good thing it isn't a requirement to be a good football coach, but you have to wonder, if he is this bad at the podium or on any kind of interview, how is he with the team? Ugh.
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I've never heard a winning coach speak poorly. I've listened to a lot of post game interviews driving between Laramie and Fort Collins. Sonny Lubick and Boyd Grant were great at explaining everything that just happened and why. Those 2 were probably the best csewe ever had. I never got tired of listening to Paul Roach. He always sounded like the smartest guy in the room. Sawvel confuses me. It's like he watched an entirely different game than the one I saw. His explanation of his coaching decisions (play calling and personnel decisions) never make any sense. It still amazes me that the defense actually got worse when he got here and that led directly to the head job. So he must be smarter than I give him credit for.
 
307bball said:
This is interesting to me. I apologize if you have laid this out before... Could you say more about Wyoming's athletic department not being built for success?
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From my perspective, there are two main issues:

1) This one is, by far, the most important issue. We need to spend more money. Obviously, to spend more money, we need more money to spend. This has always been an issue, but it has been magnified now more than ever with NIL and revenue sharing. Before NIL, the main place it impacted things was our ability to attract and retain coaching talent...particularly in the assistant coaching category. The few times we did have a decent coordinator we couldn't keep them because we couldn't afford them. It seemed to always kill any momentum we were building. Good example...Scottie Hazelton at D-coordinator. Now we can't afford to attract good players because we can't afford them. When we do a find an undervalued player, they are gone after one year because we can't pay them enough to keep them. Obviously, if you can't attract top talent and can't retain the talent you do develop, then you aren't going to be winning any championships.

2) Our leadership has too low of expectations. UW is located in a small town in a sparsely populated state that most people, especially young people, see as an undesirable location. Does this put UW at a disadvantage in recruiting athletes? Absolutely it does. But none of us can change the weather or make Laramie into a metropolis any time soon. While fans and the media are fair in pointing out these shortcomings, the leadership at UW shouldn't give one shit about those things. It is what it is and nobody is changing it in the near future. They are simply obstacles to be overcome. The UW President, BoT, AD, and all the coaches should be expecting the same thing...MWC championships. How do you show you're serious about those expectations? Getting rid of anyone who can't deliver on it. We hang on to coaches and AD's wayyyyy too long. If they can't get it done, then let's look for someone else who might be able to. Otherwise, we are just wasting our time.

I will say this...do fixing these things guarantee we will start winning championships? No, it doesn't. But it does finally give us a chance. Right now, I don't think we are even giving ourselves a fair chance because of the above issues.

Are fixing these issues easy? No. In fact, they are pretty complex and difficult issues to overcome. But we need people in charge who want to try. Right now, we have a leadership that sees these issues as insurmountable.
 
Steamboat said:
The thing that sticks in my craw is how the fans failed to embrace Tiller. His wife even called us "doubting Thomases." Then Lee Moon decided he wanted his own man. Tiller gladly got kicked upstairs with a nice pay increase. I knew Tiller and gave him a silver dollar and told him I hoped he would carry it during boilermakers. I don't know if he did, but he did ok.
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I thought if things worked out that he would have another few years, I think he could of sustained his success here. I'm glad things worked out for him and that he had a fabulous career. It seems WYO fans for a long time (not so much anymore obviously) clung to heresy that we're a stepping stone for coaches. Reality is that Tiller was really the last one. Dimel was a lateral move at best at the time, imo.
 
bladerunnr said:
I've never heard a winning coach speak poorly. I've listened to a lot of post game interviews driving between Laramie and Fort Collins. Sonny Lubick and Boyd Grant were great at explaining everything that just happened and why. Those 2 were probably the best csewe ever had. I never got tired of listening to Paul Roach. He always sounded like the smartest guy in the room. Sawvel confuses me. It's like he watched an entirely different game than the one I saw. His explanation of his coaching decisions (play calling and personnel decisions) never make any sense. It still amazes me that the defense actually got worse when he got here and that led directly to the head job. So he must be smarter than I give him credit for.
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Bo Pelini and Mark Mangino were both successful college football coaches that come to mind to me for being winning coaches that were awful speakers. Bill Belichick for NFL coaches.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
Bo Pelini and Mark Mangino were both successful college football coaches that come to mind to me for being winning coaches that were awful speakers. Bill Belichick for NFL coaches.
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Was Mangino successful? He was fired for abusing players. He had one great year and a lot of so so to bad years. Belichick is not a bad speaker. He simply chose to say as little as possible. He hated the press and had enough success that he never had to answer any hard questions (like getting rid of Brady).
 
bladerunnr said:
Was Mangino successful? He was fired for abusing players. He had one great year and a lot of so so to bad years. Belichick is not a bad speaker. He simply chose to say as little as possible. He hated the press and had enough success that he never had to answer any hard questions (like getting rid of Brady).
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Belichick is very much a bad speaker! Have you seen his recent interviews with the press where he discusses his grandaughter-aged girlfriend?!? I am not sure he could have handled those or come across any worse. He was apparently previously smart enough to hide it by not speaking to the press.

Mangino was 50-48 at Kansas and took them to a season of 12-1 and an Orange Bowl victory. Outside of Mangino, Kansas has generally been an awful football program. Mangino took the Jayhawks to bowls in 5 out of 8 years.
 
bladerunnr said:
Was Mangino successful? He was fired for abusing players. He had one great year and a lot of so so to bad years. Belichick is not a bad speaker. He simply chose to say as little as possible. He hated the press and had enough success that he never had to answer any hard questions (like getting rid of Brady).
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One thing is for sure , Bill has a better looking girlfriend than most 70 year old dudes.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
Belichick is very much a bad speaker! Have you seen his recent interviews with the press where he discusses his grandaughter-aged girlfriend?!? I am not sure he could have handled those or come across any worse. He was apparently previously smart enough to hide it by not speaking to the press.

Mangino was 50-48 at Kansas and took them to a season of 12-1 and an Orange Bowl victory. Outside of Mangino, Kansas has generally been an awful football program. Mangino took the Jayhawks to bowls in 5 out of 8 years.
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I remember the 12-1 season. Take that out and he was 38-47. In his 8 years, Kansas had a losing conference record in 6 of those, and was 4-4 once. Yeah, it was Kansas, and they are historically bad. I honestly never heard him speak. I know some Kansas alum and they had tshirts that said "Our coach can eat your coach". He made Ric Majerus look like a starving marathon runner.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
Bo Pelini and Mark Mangino were both successful college football coaches that come to mind to me for being winning coaches that were awful speakers. Bill Belichick for NFL coaches.
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It’s all a ruse with bellichick . He is perfectly capable of eloquently speaking - he chooses not to in order to cultivate a certain persona.
 
LanderPoke said:
First time I assaulted an inanimate object. Ugh
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The decision to take a safety was bad but what killed Wyoming was a horrible free kick afterwards which gave BYU great field position.

The true irony is that for reasons I never understood Wyoming's fan base never warmed up to Tiller, yet he choose to wear cowboy boots and returned to live in Wyoming when he retired.
 
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